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Report this Oct. 13 2009, 2:54 pm

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Your Concept of a Cabal of Scientist or elite to control knowledge reeks of right wing wacko that attempt to discredit scientific ideas such Evolution, Global warming or even the Earth being round, by attacking Men and women that delicate their lifes to pursue of Knowledge


I am one that is fully aware of Global Warming and that the Earth is round. You continue to forget the past's post's Lancer Omega where you try and twist what you want people to think about a person to make them look less intelligent. I have posted many times about Global Warming issues and have even submitted ideas to various companies relating to how hybridd cars and electrical tidal generators will help stay the global warming affect.

Their is no science behind Darwinism which is not Evolution.

Natural selection is the process by which heritable traits that make it more likely for an organism to survive and successfully reproduce become more common in a population over successive generations. It is a key mechanism of evolution.

The natural genetic variation within a population of organisms means that some individuals will survive and reproduce more successfully than others in their current environment. For example, the peppered moth exists in both light and dark colors in the United Kingdom, but during the industrial revolution many of the trees on which the moths rested became blackened by soot, giving the dark-colored moths an advantage in hiding from predators. This gave dark-colored moths a better chance of surviving to produce dark-colored offspring, and in just a few generations the majority of the moths were dark. Factors which affect reproductive success are also important, an issue which Charles Darwin developed in his ideas on sexual selection.

Based on your thoughts of evolution then lancer omega and from your previous post's as it related to your choice of dating women and those that you have slept with, it seems that you are trying to concoct that if a highly intelligent man sleeps with a halfly intelligent women then their offspring would have the inherited traits of someone being only a quarter percent as intelligent as that of their father which would make them slightly more intelligent then their mother based on the assumption that the heritable traits of the father should make the offspring just as intelligent as the father is.

The only aspect of evolution that is true and factual is the physiological traits of the mother and father that ?are passed onto the offspring is what will decide how the child will look, all other aspects of evolution is psychological conditioning of the person to fit into a norm that can be used to better prove that the theory of natural selection will provide the best offspring capable of survival which is based off of the observation of animals that cannot build houses to keep them out of the rain or shuttles and theories to launch humanity into the next stage of evolution of thought. The more that you liken evolution to how the animal kingdom interacts with one another the more you think like an animal and the lose the ability to reason and logic based on the civility of humanity and the laws created to seperate those that want to live like and animal instead of using the thought process.

amazing that you state this, cause no where have i posted a single one of the assumption you say that i made.

and your statement about inhereted traits is as wrong as wrong can be..

Apparently you never heard of Mendel, or research that show that intelligent is an inherented trait, that scientist have pinpoint the so call smart Gene!

http://www.accessexcellence.org/WN/SUA13/smartgene999.php

or
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1590/is_10_56/ai_60590061/

Better yet maybe you miss the countless of articles showing the so call civil traits such as altruist is seen as genetic traits that molecular basis began in the lower animals, such as Bee and Wasps !!!

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/09/070927164440.htm

As for house building, many creature create shelter without higher brain function found in humans, as a matter of instinct

Check the the Book, Built by Animals by Mike Hansell :

From termite mounds and caterpillar cocoons to the elaborate nests of social birds and the deadly traps of spiders, the constructions of the animal world can amaze and at times even rival our own feats of engineering. But how do creatures with such small brains build these complex structures? What drives them to do it?
In this fascinating volume, Mike Hansell looks at the extraordinary structures that animals build--whether homes, traps, or courtship displays--and reveals what science can tell us about this incredible behavior. We look at wasp's nests, leaf-cutting ants, caddis flies and amoebae, and even the extraordinary bower bird, who seduces his mate with a decorated pile of twigs, baubles, feathers, and berries. We discover how some animals produce their own building materials, such as the silk secreted by spiders to weave an array of different web and traps, or the glue some insects produce to hold their buildings together. And we learn how a vast colony of social insects can create nests which may penetrate up to twenty feet into the ground and house millions of individuals--all built by tiny-brained animals repeating many simple actions as they roam randomly around the structure. Hansell also sheds light on how animal buildings have evolved over time, how insect societies emerged, how animals can alter their wider habitat, and even whether some animals have an aesthetic sense. Finally, he shows how animal structures may reveal clues to the origins of our own tool use and appreciation of beauty.
Built by Animals offers a colorful account of a facet of animal behavior that will delight anyone interested in the natural world. Features
Shows the amazing constructions that are built throughout the animal world, by social insects, birds and mammals, and even minute amoebae.
Reveals the behavior--both innate and learned--that creates these structures, and the materials and techniques that different animals use.
Highlights how creatures with small brains use simple, repeated actions to produce complex results--achieving building feats that rival our own, but by very different means. In fact it is human building behavior that turns out to be unusual.
Ties in animal behavior, evolutionary biology, and ecology, and highlights the lively research currently happening in this area of biology.
Shows how animal structures may reveal clues to the origins of our own tool use and appreciation of beauty.
Reveals how animals interact with each other and with the environment, and puts human habitat alteration into an evolutionary perspective.

now are you claiming some kind of physiological factor in the tiny brains of Ants and termites? What about the mindless amoebae?

Alot of the so call physiological behavior is based on genetic aspect, tons of studies have been done.. Should i list links for you to ignore.

Genes do setup alot of our so call behavior, other factor are involved, up bringing can have slight bearing as these studies find, but the amazing thing is seen in identical twins, when seperated and raised by different parents they seem to live lifes almost parallel each other, from type of jobs they have to type of woman they marry. As many studies show only when raise together do twins behavior seem take on independent aspect, as both attempt to develop seperate id's..

If you ever bother going to a library you can check out the following studies:

Boomsma, D., Busjahn, A., & Peltonen, L. (2002). Classical twin studies and beyond. Nature Reviews Genetics, 3(11), 872-882.

* Kendler, K.S., Neale, M.C., Kessler, R.C., Heath, A.C., & Eaves, L.J. (1993). A test of the equal-environment assumption in twin studies of psychiatric illness. Behavior Genetics, 23, 21-28.

* Neale, M.C., & Cardon, L.R. (1992). Methodology for genetic studies of twins and families. Dordrecht, The Netherlands: Kluwer Academic Press.

* Pam, A., Kemker, S.S., Ross, C.A., & Golden, R. (1996). The "equal environments assumption" in MZ-DZ twin comparisons: An untenable premise of psychiatric genetics? Acta Geneticae Medicae et Gemellologiae, 45(3), 349-360.


Are you never tired of being Wrong ? and what is the obsession with my mating habits, if you would take the effort and learn how to interact with the fairer sex maybe you will have the chance to reproduce. As for my choices they seem to work out very well.. All my childern show promise to be first rate individuals, well adjust and with minds that put mine to shame. My only regret is not having more to bestow upon this trouble world..

Maybe in your case you should look into sterilization and not muddy the gene pool.

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Report this Oct. 13 2009, 3:09 pm

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So you are basing your assumptions on a vane issue of what you want to see to better your stance and position.


Nope. But thanks for proving again how you jump to conclusions.

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Intelligence is not taught or learnt, intelligence is the result of how a human observes the environment around them and decides that because of the past failures that new idea structures need to be built instead of covering up the old failures and using them in a new method of continuing what occured in the past because so many people have built their lives around it that if the ideal or notion was to change ¿then all of these people who chosen to be lazy and take the easy way out by conforming to the past because it is easier to do what was done in the past, would have all of their image and status rendered moot and irrelevant where when people from the future looked back to make a comparison on how they lived when compared to the now they will say "Let's not ever go the route that those people did in the past even though it has already been established and is an easier way to go, let's make our own path through the unknown so that the new and unfound will be discovered and developed which will better equip the next generation to continue on, instead of living a common place and ordinary life."


Out of all of that, you have only one period. That's 209 words you have there. You need to separate your ideas with punctuation and give them proper sentence structure. And it's spelt occurred.

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Intelligence is not taught or learnt, intelligence is the result...


You just contradicted yourself there. But, maybe you've learned something.

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When did you graduate William last year?


You are correct in assuming I graduated high school. I don't see how asking if I graduated last year denotes an insult.

But yes, I graduated. ¿When will you?

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Report this Oct. 16 2009, 1:16 am

Y'know, I think this is one of those rare boards here at this site where no religious hang out.

Am I wrong.

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Report this Oct. 16 2009, 12:10 pm

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Y'know, I think this is one of those rare boards here at this site where no religious hang out.

Am I wrong.

We did have several Creationalists and ID posters, but we pretty much shot down their agruement. We even had one of them tell us how he didn't know that his pastor was lieing on the matter of ID...

The nail in the coffin to the whole debate was the Nova Special, where the ID creators were shown to be lairs and actually commited fraud and lie on witness stand.

Hard to take the Moral high Ground at that point. ;)

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Report this Oct. 19 2009, 1:46 am

I'm glad they all realize now that they have nothing to talk about in a board named "science".

ID, the exact opposite of the anthropic principle, agree?

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Report this Oct. 19 2009, 1:17 pm

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I'm glad they all realize now that they have nothing to talk about in a board named "science".

ID, the exact opposite of the anthropic principle, agree?

hummm many similar elements and depends if we are talking about the weak or strong version of the principle..

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Report this Oct. 19 2009, 5:01 pm

Hah, I don't think I know the difference.

What I believe is such. I ask, why am I here? Logically the answer is, who else would be asking if you weren't? So whilst all events in the universe have eventually come up with me, I see this as a co-incidence, and if in fact all events led to the creation of Mr. Spock, then he would ask the same question. Likewise, if no intelligent life ever came from the universe, no one would be asking. Which version is that?

The way I see ID is all events in the universe have led to me, and I'm pretty #### special, so it must have been something intelligent that programmed this. I suppose it does go further, to the "perfect" order of the universe for growing intelligent life, and not so much deals with that intelligence itself.

So, maybe just in my head they're opposing ideas. Maybe we won't say "exact opposite", but they certainly wouldn't talk to each other at a social outing.

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