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Vulcans in ST 2009

stovokor2000

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Report this Oct. 05 2009, 7:32 pm

Quote (kludge77 @ Oct. 05 2009, 4:50 pm)
We all agree then. Or close enough to agreement to have a nice lunch without those strange awkward pauses while waiting for the waiter to bring out more bread and butter.

Can we have chinese for lunch????

I know this great place in China town NYC.

I had dinner with Jay Leno there once.

stovokor2000

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Report this Oct. 05 2009, 7:34 pm

Quote (kludge77 @ Oct. 05 2009, 4:58 pm)
Quote (stovokor2000 @ Oct. 05 2009, 1:42 am)
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It exists, but it isn't felt.


Here I did agree.

It exist and its felt....but its under strict control by mental disciplines.

Because like I said before...if it wasn't felt there would be no need to suppress it.

I don't think they feel it, if the 'suppression mechanism' (whatever that looks like) is working. I think this 'effect' has gaps.

You think the suppression allows them to function logically in the face of strong emotional undercurrents. and certain emotions are too strong to bottle up.

I won't quibble. We are very similar in our views that this isn't much of a disagreement.

Good enough.

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Report this Oct. 05 2009, 7:36 pm

Quote (stovokor2000 @ Oct. 05 2009, 4:32 am)
Quote (kludge77 @ Oct. 05 2009, 4:50 pm)
We all agree then. Or close enough to agreement to have a nice lunch without those strange awkward pauses while waiting for the waiter to bring out more bread and butter.

Can we have chinese for lunch????

I know this great place in China town NYC.

I had dinner with Jay Leno there once.

Really!? Jay Leno.. Sweet!

I know this place in San Francisco, where all I can do is point to things hanging in the windows to communicate! Rarely get what I asked for, but always good food!

stovokor2000

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Report this Oct. 05 2009, 9:28 pm

Quote (kludge77 @ Oct. 05 2009, 7:36 pm)
Quote (stovokor2000 @ Oct. 05 2009, 4:32 am)
Quote (kludge77 @ Oct. 05 2009, 4:50 pm)
We all agree then. Or close enough to agreement to have a nice lunch without those strange awkward pauses while waiting for the waiter to bring out more bread and butter.

Can we have chinese for lunch????

I know this great place in China town NYC.

I had dinner with Jay Leno there once.

Really!? Jay Leno.. Sweet!

I know this place in San Francisco, where all I can do is point to things hanging in the windows to communicate! Rarely get what I asked for, but always good food!

Yeah Jay Leno.

I wasnt really a fan of hisat the time but he was pretty cool.

Fead me right off his plate.

And I know a place like that in NYC too.

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Report this Oct. 05 2009, 11:21 pm

Quote (MrMordenandAssociates @ Oct. 06 2009, 12:11 am)
Quote (ssmukhi @ Oct. 05 2009, 7:53 am)
Reading all the posts here, this one point has not been mentioned. In the TOS episode "The Immunity Syndrome", when Spock senses the destruction of the Intrepid, he momentarily goes into pain. He is rushed to sickbay and this exchange takes place:

SPOCK: I assure you, Doctor, I am quite all right. The pain was momentary. It passed quickly.
MCCOY: All of my instruments seem to agree with you if I can trust these crazy Vulcan readings. Spock, how can you be so sure the lntrepid was destroyed?
(Spock gets off the bed.)
SPOCK: I sensed it die.
MCCOY: But I thought you had to be in physical contact with a subject before
SPOCK: Doctor, even I, a half-Vulcan, could hear the death scream of four hundred Vulcan minds crying out over the distance between us.
MCCOY: Not even a Vulcan could feel a starship die.
SPOCK: Call it a deep understanding of the way things happen to Vulcans, but I know not a person, not even the computers on board the Intrepid, knew what was killing them or would have understood it had they known.
MCCOY: But four hundred Vulcans?
SPOCK: I've noticed that about your people, Doctor. You find it easier to understand the death of one than the death of a million. You speak about the objective hardness of the Vulcan heart, yet how little room there seems to be in yours.
MCCOY: Suffer the death of thy neighbour, eh, Spock? You wouldn't wish that on us, would you?
SPOCK: It might have rendered your history a bit less bloody.


Here we're just talking about a ship with 400 Vulcans, what about an entire planet with BILLIONS of Vulcans! That must have had some chilling effect to the surviving Vulcans, including Sarek and Spock.

My point in another thread was that if the death of 400 Vulcans so far away from Spock could send him to sickbay, the death of 6 billion Vulcans while in orbit should have killed Spock and any other Vulcans on board.

Good point, or at least seriously compromise them, even emotionally.

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Report this Oct. 05 2009, 11:28 pm

Quote (ssmukhi @ Oct. 05 2009, 7:53 am)
Reading all the posts here, this one point has not been mentioned. In the TOS episode "The Immunity Syndrome", when Spock senses the destruction of the Intrepid, he momentarily goes into pain. He is rushed to sickbay and this exchange takes place:

SPOCK: I assure you, Doctor, I am quite all right. The pain was momentary. It passed quickly.
MCCOY: All of my instruments seem to agree with you if I can trust these crazy Vulcan readings. Spock, how can you be so sure the lntrepid was destroyed?
(Spock gets off the bed.)
SPOCK: I sensed it die.
MCCOY: But I thought you had to be in physical contact with a subject before
SPOCK: Doctor, even I, a half-Vulcan, could hear the death scream of four hundred Vulcan minds crying out over the distance between us.
MCCOY: Not even a Vulcan could feel a starship die.
SPOCK: Call it a deep understanding of the way things happen to Vulcans, but I know not a person, not even the computers on board the Intrepid, knew what was killing them or would have understood it had they known.
MCCOY: But four hundred Vulcans?
SPOCK: I've noticed that about your people, Doctor. You find it easier to understand the death of one than the death of a million. You speak about the objective hardness of the Vulcan heart, yet how little room there seems to be in yours.
MCCOY: Suffer the death of thy neighbour, eh, Spock? You wouldn't wish that on us, would you?
SPOCK: It might have rendered your history a bit less bloody.


Here we're just talking about a ship with 400 Vulcans, what about an entire planet with BILLIONS of Vulcans! That must have had some chilling effect to the surviving Vulcans, including Sarek and Spock.

This has been addressed on other threads, I believe (or maybe that was on TrekSpace...I get my sites confused).

I agree 100% that this is definitely a problem. Of course the remaining Vulcans should have felt great pain--even to the point of being rendered unconscious.

YATI.

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Report this Oct. 07 2009, 1:02 pm

Quote (starbase63 @ Oct. 07 2009, 12:41 pm)
Quote (stovokor2000 @ Oct. 05 2009, 7:32 pm)
Quote (kludge77 @ Oct. 05 2009, 4:50 pm)
We all agree then. Or close enough to agreement to have a nice lunch without those strange awkward pauses while waiting for the waiter to bring out more bread and butter.

Can we have chinese for lunch????

I know this great place in China town NYC.

I had dinner with Jay Leno there once.

Heck, there are probably at least a dozen shops you can get a bootleg DVD of STXI in the daytime in Chinatown NYC...

:logical:

A dozen is a vast understatement.

Last time I was in China town NYC was 2 days before the opening of the first Transformers movie and there were already more then 25 guys selling bootlegs of the film.

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Report this Oct. 07 2009, 2:34 pm

New York what a great place! The most international city of America.

stovokor2000

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Report this Oct. 07 2009, 2:38 pm

Quote (starbase63 @ Oct. 07 2009, 1:38 pm)
I miss my daughters' dancing school doing Nationals in NYC, we'd always be at the Sheraton by Times Square...go down the street about 10pm and go DVD shopping...

One guy one night, because I tipped him off that there was a bunch of cops about a block and a half up making the rounds, he gave me a 2 for 1 deal before he packed up and went to lay low for a while... :laugh:

:logical:

I miss Times Square too.

I lived most of my life in NYC up till about 5 years ago when I moved to upstate NY.

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Report this Oct. 08 2009, 12:45 am

Quote (starbase63 @ Oct. 07 2009, 4:44 pm)
My sister used to live near Utica...nice area up there, right in the Mohawk Valley.

But ain't nothing like the Big Apple. I can hop on the train in the center of my town and be at Grand Central in about an hour and a quarter, depending on how many stops (express after 125th Street).

:logical:

I know what you meen.

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