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Vold

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Report this Nov. 23 2009, 4:29 pm

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Despite what happened in VOY and what has recently been written in the books, I seriously doubt if the Borg are gone for good.

Of course they're not gone for good.

And here's the kicker some here seem to be missing/forgetting about.

If we are to relate all series/movies together as one story line, then the Borg are just as strong as they ever were.

Why?

Because of Star Trek 2009, that's why.

Now that the timeline has been reset and taking a different path..... the borg in the current timeline have yet to encounter humans/starfleet, thus besides Old Spock knowing about the Borg from his existence in the old timeline, nobody knows of the Borg now, nor what is to come when they do face the Borg.

Now another head scratcher will be if Picard ever takes command of the Enterprise in the new timeline and/or if Q sends them off to encounter the Borg for the first time to start the ball rolling again.

My guess is that Picard and the Enterprise D won't exist as it once did, and chances are, Q won't be sending anybody off to meet the Borg like he once did, thus perhaps the Federation will gain more time this time around to evolve and grow before having to face the Borg.

My guess/hope of how the new Starfleet learn about the Borg is through a list of long discoveries which includes the El-Aurian survivors, a devastated world, which later lead to a crash ship.

3of5 aka Hugh could be their first live encounter.

When aiding the stranger to recover, it cause a stir on the ship, after recapturing him some how & further learning of one another.

Hugh, like his alternate counterpart, do not wish his new friends to be assimilated & warn them about the incoming ship that'll recover his crashed vessel and if they want to survive, they have to leave imediately, removing all traces of their being there.

Hence prolonging the invasion, using what little they know from Hugh to prepare for the inevitable.

So Wolf 359 haven't existed yet if not at all in the new timeline.
:)

interesting theory Vold, and it could work if not for one major problem, and that is the drones from Regeneration who were from the prime time line, and sent that signal off to the rest of the collective at the end of the episode.

The borg would not have been effected by the new timeline that was crated with the destruction of Vulcan, and thus the events that happened in BOBW (which predate I Borg)would more then likely still have happened, maybe not at the same time that it happened in the Prime line (all depending on if Q participates with the TNG crew in the new timeline or not), but it would still happen all the same.

IN fact the only thing that would be different in the 24th century of the new timeline would be any contributions that were made by vulcans that either died on the planet when it was destroyed, or were children of those that died. The Borg and thier plans would not be effected until they actually entered the Alpha/Beta Quadrants.

I got another theory for the new timeline,

Remember the episode "The Chase" I think.

Where they found a message from a lonely race in the galaxy long ago.

A 2nd message not found by the Prime timeline.

The 1st message reads about their lonliness but the 2nd reads, they wished they were alone. When exploring the opposite end of the galaxy, they found another ancient race.

The Borg? The Founders? or something else alltogether.
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TheTimeDoctor

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Report this Nov. 23 2009, 7:17 pm

I wouldn't be surprised if a future Trek film decided to bring back the Borg.

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Report this Nov. 26 2009, 12:31 pm

the borg queen's been killed three times and nothing was affected, no where is it hinted at that the collective is gone.

Vold

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Report this Nov. 26 2009, 4:00 pm

Quote (Venicius @ Nov. 26 2009, 12:31 pm)
the borg queen's been killed three times and nothing was affected, no where is it hinted at that the collective is gone.

IMHO,
she only died twice by Starfleet hands.

There's no reason to think she's dead in "Dark Frontier"
unless you want to think she's a nit to chase down a shuttle personally. Its more logical that she beam off the Diamond before it went after the D. Flyer.

Nor did she died in "Unimatrix Zero", some people thought she was on the Tactical Cube.

So she did only died in ST:FC & "Endgame"

Vold

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Report this Dec. 11 2009, 7:38 pm

Quote (Vold @ Nov. 11 2009, 11:55 pm)
- My guess/hope of how the new Starfleet learn about the Borg is through a list of long discoveries which includes the El-Aurian survivors, a devastated world, which later lead to a crash ship.

3of5 aka Hugh could be their first live encounter.

When aiding the stranger to recover, it cause a stir on the ship, after recapturing him some how & further learning of one another.

Hugh, like his alternate counterpart, do not wish his new friends to be assimilated & warn them about the incoming ship that'll recover his crashed vessel and if they want to survive, they have to leave imediately, removing all traces of their being there.

Hence prolonging the invasion, using what little they know from Hugh to prepare for the inevitable.

So Wolf 359 haven't existed yet if not at all in the new timeline.
:)

- Maybe Shelby, will play a big role.

But rather than an enthusiast like she is in TNG, she's the smart but quiet (not like Barclay)
who happens to have read up on all known details of the unknown cybernetic race.

When they found the crashed vessel, she has some big role there.

- Much later after the incident with a cyborg survivor and his warning.

The crew detects a Starfleet signal of the USS Tombaugh that has been missing for since 2362. When they meet the vessel, they detect life-forms onboard, but no one answered their hail.

It engage their ship without provocation.
After a tough combat against its reinforced shield & hull finally they damage the ship enough that they notice the ship is going to self-destruct. The Captain decides to beam what they can onboard to interrogate the aliens on what are they doing on a Federation vessel and what they've done to it.

When they beam what they could onboard, they learn something disturbing...

Shelby notice the connection with the ship alteration and they got some of the logs from the ship.

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