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Oct. 09 2009, 1:24 pm
Despite what happened in VOY and what has recently been written in the books, I seriously doubt if the Borg are gone for good.
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Oct. 26 2009, 11:05 am
Actually in one of the Star Trek: Next Generation episodes Relics, I, Borg, or on of those it is implied that Borg can be infected by a virus. That was the plan of Picard or whoever on TNG to use the young Borg and infect with a virus and leading to the decimation of the Borg I thought that they should have stayed alive more too but that was what was hinted at in one of those episodes. RIP: The Borg killed by the Federation via a virus, they will be missed. P.S. If you are a Trekkie and/or Borg fan google Star Trek Red Alert and supposedly the first page will have a site to download Borg-based games. Thanks.
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Oct. 30 2009, 11:16 pm
| Quote (coolkid91 @ Oct. 26 2009, 11:05 am) | | Actually in one of the Star Trek: Next Generation episodes Relics, I, Borg, or on of those it is implied that Borg can be infected by a virus. That was the plan of Picard or whoever on TNG to use the young Borg and infect with a virus and leading to the decimation of the Borg I thought that they should have stayed alive more too but that was what was hinted at in one of those episodes. RIP: The Borg killed by the Federation via a virus, they will be missed. P.S. If you are a Trekkie and/or Borg fan google Star Trek Red Alert and supposedly the first page will have a site to download Borg-based games. Thanks. |
maybe so, but many Delta QUadrant races tried the same thingm and it was always shown that the collective would bounce back or isolate the virus (Such as in Collective). THe only reason that Admiral Janeways virus was effective was because it was assimilated into the collective, quite literally, in the heart of the borg. |
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Oct. 30 2009, 11:38 pm
| Quote (SLagonia @ Sep. 30 2009, 2:11 am) | | The Borg have a bloody nose, they're not even close to being wiped out. |
I would say that it's more like a scratch. |
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Oct. 31 2009, 4:57 pm
| Quote (Camorite @ Oct. 30 2009, 8:16 pm) | | Quote (coolkid91 @ Oct. 26 2009, 11:05 am) | | Actually in one of the Star Trek: Next Generation episodes Relics, I, Borg, or on of those it is implied that Borg can be infected by a virus. That was the plan of Picard or whoever on TNG to use the young Borg and infect with a virus and leading to the decimation of the Borg I thought that they should have stayed alive more too but that was what was hinted at in one of those episodes. RIP: The Borg killed by the Federation via a virus, they will be missed. P.S. If you are a Trekkie and/or Borg fan google Star Trek Red Alert and supposedly the first page will have a site to download Borg-based games. Thanks. |
maybe so, but many Delta QUadrant races tried the same thingm and it was always shown that the collective would bounce back or isolate the virus (Such as in Collective). THe only reason that Admiral Janeways virus was effective was because it was assimilated into the collective, quite literally, in the heart of the borg. |
Except we have no idea how "effective" it actually was, in the end. |
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Nov. 01 2009, 8:51 am
correct alcove, since there has been no other series based in the 24th century after Voyager ended we have no way of knowing if the Borg Queen was able to cut herself off from the rest of the collective before the uniplex blew up. however, if you think about it logically, the borg more then likely had failsafes that would allow them to continue, even from something happening in the very heart of the collective.
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Nov. 02 2009, 7:05 am
to be honest , i don't think you could wipe out the borg for ever , as they have asimilated thousands of world of different area's of space , they will have more borg queens and people like that .
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Nov. 02 2009, 11:40 am
| Quote (captainroe @ Oct. 09 2009, 9:24 am) | | Despite what happened in VOY and what has recently been written in the books, I seriously doubt if the Borg are gone for good. |
Of course they're not gone for good. And here's the kicker some here seem to be missing/forgetting about. If we are to relate all series/movies together as one story line, then the Borg are just as strong as they ever were. Why? Because of Star Trek 2009, that's why. Now that the timeline has been reset and taking a different path..... the borg in the current timeline have yet to encounter humans/starfleet, thus besides Old Spock knowing about the Borg from his existence in the old timeline, nobody knows of the Borg now, nor what is to come when they do face the Borg. Now another head scratcher will be if Picard ever takes command of the Enterprise in the new timeline and/or if Q sends them off to encounter the Borg for the first time to start the ball rolling again. My guess is that Picard and the Enterprise D won't exist as it once did, and chances are, Q won't be sending anybody off to meet the Borg like he once did, thus perhaps the Federation will gain more time this time around to evolve and grow before having to face the Borg. |
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Nov. 11 2009, 11:10 pm
Cange| Quote | | the armor maybe. The torpedoes were totally effective. One shot destroys a borg vessel. Thats impressive as hell. Armor is armor after all, armor sucks. |
Not entirely effective, the Borg clearly have found a way to prevent the torpedo from phasing through their ships, otherwise Voyager would have just shoot the #### Sphere chasing them from outside. Instead they need to get inside first. So the armor as u put it sucked, but the torpedo 1/2 sucked too.  Well till they find another way to phase the torpedo again. tribblenator999| Quote | | And yet a former Borg drone, without the aid of the rest of the collective, was able to discover how they worked and how to block them in Year Of Hell. Hmm, that statement really holds true there tribblenator. |
Chroniton Torpedo & Transphasic torps work differently as to how they slip through vessels. 1 is out of phase, the other is out of time. 1 specific type of defense can't defend against another specific form of attack.
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Nov. 11 2009, 11:55 pm
| Quote (Praxius @ Nov. 02 2009, 11:40 am) | | Quote (captainroe @ Oct. 09 2009, 9:24 am) | | Despite what happened in VOY and what has recently been written in the books, I seriously doubt if the Borg are gone for good. |
Of course they're not gone for good.
And here's the kicker some here seem to be missing/forgetting about.
If we are to relate all series/movies together as one story line, then the Borg are just as strong as they ever were.
Why?
Because of Star Trek 2009, that's why.
Now that the timeline has been reset and taking a different path..... the borg in the current timeline have yet to encounter humans/starfleet, thus besides Old Spock knowing about the Borg from his existence in the old timeline, nobody knows of the Borg now, nor what is to come when they do face the Borg.
Now another head scratcher will be if Picard ever takes command of the Enterprise in the new timeline and/or if Q sends them off to encounter the Borg for the first time to start the ball rolling again.
My guess is that Picard and the Enterprise D won't exist as it once did, and chances are, Q won't be sending anybody off to meet the Borg like he once did, thus perhaps the Federation will gain more time this time around to evolve and grow before having to face the Borg. |
My guess/hope of how the new Starfleet learn about the Borg is through a list of long discoveries which includes the El-Aurian survivors, a devastated world, which later lead to a crash ship. 3of5 aka Hugh could be their first live encounter. When aiding the stranger to recover, it cause a stir on the ship, after recapturing him some how & further learning of one another. Hugh, like his alternate counterpart, do not wish his new friends to be assimilated & warn them about the incoming ship that'll recover his crashed vessel and if they want to survive, they have to leave imediately, removing all traces of their being there. Hence prolonging the invasion, using what little they know from Hugh to prepare for the inevitable. So Wolf 359 haven't existed yet if not at all in the new timeline.  |
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Nov. 13 2009, 10:06 pm
| Quote (Vold @ Nov. 11 2009, 11:55 pm) | | Quote (Praxius @ Nov. 02 2009, 11:40 am) | | Quote (captainroe @ Oct. 09 2009, 9:24 am) | | Despite what happened in VOY and what has recently been written in the books, I seriously doubt if the Borg are gone for good. |
Of course they're not gone for good.
And here's the kicker some here seem to be missing/forgetting about.
If we are to relate all series/movies together as one story line, then the Borg are just as strong as they ever were.
Why?
Because of Star Trek 2009, that's why.
Now that the timeline has been reset and taking a different path..... the borg in the current timeline have yet to encounter humans/starfleet, thus besides Old Spock knowing about the Borg from his existence in the old timeline, nobody knows of the Borg now, nor what is to come when they do face the Borg.
Now another head scratcher will be if Picard ever takes command of the Enterprise in the new timeline and/or if Q sends them off to encounter the Borg for the first time to start the ball rolling again.
My guess is that Picard and the Enterprise D won't exist as it once did, and chances are, Q won't be sending anybody off to meet the Borg like he once did, thus perhaps the Federation will gain more time this time around to evolve and grow before having to face the Borg. |
My guess/hope of how the new Starfleet learn about the Borg is through a list of long discoveries which includes the El-Aurian survivors, a devastated world, which later lead to a crash ship.
3of5 aka Hugh could be their first live encounter.
When aiding the stranger to recover, it cause a stir on the ship, after recapturing him some how & further learning of one another.
Hugh, like his alternate counterpart, do not wish his new friends to be assimilated & warn them about the incoming ship that'll recover his crashed vessel and if they want to survive, they have to leave imediately, removing all traces of their being there.
Hence prolonging the invasion, using what little they know from Hugh to prepare for the inevitable.
So Wolf 359 haven't existed yet if not at all in the new timeline.
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interesting theory Vold, and it could work if not for one major problem, and that is the drones from Regeneration who were from the prime time line, and sent that signal off to the rest of the collective at the end of the episode. The borg would not have been effected by the new timeline that was crated with the destruction of Vulcan, and thus the events that happened in BOBW (which predate I Borg)would more then likely still have happened, maybe not at the same time that it happened in the Prime line (all depending on if Q participates with the TNG crew in the new timeline or not), but it would still happen all the same. IN fact the only thing that would be different in the 24th century of the new timeline would be any contributions that were made by vulcans that either died on the planet when it was destroyed, or were children of those that died. The Borg and thier plans would not be effected until they actually entered the Alpha/Beta Quadrants. |
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Nov. 13 2009, 10:41 pm
Yes & no
The way things happened in TNG is only because of Q and yes, they too got the message, that's not a new thing.
Without Q, the message alone won't interest the Borg enough to assimilate Earth. As they already assimilated 3 ships & an entire colony before "Q Who" and apperently the Borg decided to turn back. So just minus Q, everything else will be the same one. Except, no Wolf 359. The Borg have classified Species 5618 as not worthy of full assimilation and what little of the message they received is insufficient to change their mind.
So, Captain Blackwood, the Hensens (not necessary the same people) & dunno any other Starfleet ships & 1 colony in the Neutral Zone will still be assimilated, after the colony, they turn around & stop proceeding.
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Nov. 14 2009, 10:00 am
of course this is all assuming that Q doesn't involve himself in the affairs of the Federation in a similar way that he does in TNG. Of course since Vulcans destruction wouldn't effect the continuum any more then it would effect the collective, so there is no reason to think that Q's plans would have changed because of a minor even like the destruction on a primary Federation planet. But then again i have been known to be wrong before.
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Nov. 14 2009, 10:03 am
| Quote (Camorite @ Nov. 14 2009, 10:00 am) | | of course this is all assuming that Q doesn't involve himself in the affairs of the Federation in a similar way that he does in TNG. Of course since Vulcans destruction wouldn't effect the continuum any more then it would effect the collective, so there is no reason to think that Q's plans would have changed because of a minor even like the destruction on a primary Federation planet. But then again i have been known to be wrong before. |
I would hope the new Q is the conspiracy type. sneaky & all than hippy party animal. |
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Nov. 14 2009, 6:20 pm
Maybe Shelby, will play a big role.
But rather than an enthusiast like she is in TNG, she's the smart but quiet (not like Barclay)
who happens to have read up on all known details of the unknown cybernetic race.
When they found the crashed vessel, she has some big role there.
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