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Oct. 04 2009, 6:07 pm
| Quote (Camorite @ Oct. 04 2009, 4:08 pm) | | Quote (tribblenator999 @ Oct. 04 2009, 4:03 pm) | | Quote (Camorite @ Oct. 04 2009, 10:03 am) | | Quote (tribblenator999 @ Oct. 03 2009, 11:40 pm) | | Quote (Camorite @ Oct. 01 2009, 8:28 pm) | | Quote (tribblenator999 @ Oct. 01 2009, 11:40 am) | | Quote (superman46320 @ Sep. 30 2009, 9:07 am) | | It would not be impossible to destroy the Borg, but it would be dam hard to do so. ?I think to complety stop the Borg you would have to destroy every bit of there tech. ?Even right done to the littiest nano probe. ?Someone like Q would be the one to stop the Borg. ?But why would he? |
I think in the 25th century the federation wipes out the borg because of all that tech they developed. Transphasic torpedoes and that super armor. |
The torpedos and armor won't do them much good tribblenator, the Queen assimilated that knowledge and distributed it throughout the collective in the short time it took for the virus to start working. Or didn't you remember that the Sphear that was in pursute of Voyager in the corridor was damaging their armor, unlike the three cubes that attacked the ship the second time it went into the nebula. |
the armor maybe. The torpedoes were totally effective. One shot destroys a borg vessel. Thats impressive as hell. Armor is armor after all, armor sucks. |
Maybe so, but given enough time they would have adapted to the torpedos as well. |
Yeah maybe 100 years. transphasic torpedoes have almost infinite modulation to them that's why they work so well against the borg.  |
And yet a former Borg drone, without the aid of the rest of the collective, was able to discover how they worked and how to block them in Year Of Hell. Hmm, that statement really holds true there tribblenator. ? |
Seven developed chroniton shielding to protect voyager from the chroniton torpedoes of the krenim. However she was kind of late considering voyager was already 60% destroyed when she did develop the shielding. Tell me this if starfleet borg weaponry didn't work so well then why is starfleet still around in the 25th century?!?! |
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Oct. 04 2009, 6:08 pm
| Quote (captbates @ Oct. 04 2009, 4:08 pm) | | Quote (tribblenator999 @ Oct. 03 2009, 9:03 pm) | | Quote (Camorite @ Oct. 04 2009, 10:03 am) | | Quote (tribblenator999 @ Oct. 03 2009, 11:40 pm) | | Quote (Camorite @ Oct. 01 2009, 8:28 pm) | | Quote (tribblenator999 @ Oct. 01 2009, 11:40 am) | | Quote (superman46320 @ Sep. 30 2009, 9:07 am) | | It would not be impossible to destroy the Borg, but it would be dam hard to do so. ?I think to complety stop the Borg you would have to destroy every bit of there tech. ?Even right done to the littiest nano probe. ?Someone like Q would be the one to stop the Borg. ?But why would he? |
I think in the 25th century the federation wipes out the borg because of all that tech they developed. Transphasic torpedoes and that super armor. |
The torpedos and armor won't do them much good tribblenator, the Queen assimilated that knowledge and distributed it throughout the collective in the short time it took for the virus to start working. Or didn't you remember that the Sphear that was in pursute of Voyager in the corridor was damaging their armor, unlike the three cubes that attacked the ship the second time it went into the nebula. |
the armor maybe. The torpedoes were totally effective. One shot destroys a borg vessel. Thats impressive as hell. Armor is armor after all, armor sucks. |
Maybe so, but given enough time they would have adapted to the torpedos as well. |
Yeah maybe 100 years. transphasic torpedoes have almost infinite modulation to them that's why they work so well against the borg. |
Transphasic shielding? |
am I the only one here that is actually not a uber borg fan or something. |
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Oct. 04 2009, 6:33 pm
| Quote (tribblenator999 @ Oct. 04 2009, 3:07 pm) | | Tell me this if starfleet borg weaponry didn't work so well then why is starfleet still around in the 25th century?!?! |
Because the Borg aren't the only ones to assimilate new cultures, ideas, and technologies. |
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Oct. 04 2009, 6:49 pm
| Quote (tribblenator999 @ Oct. 03 2009, 11:08 pm) | | Quote (captbates @ Oct. 04 2009, 4:08 pm) | | Quote (tribblenator999 @ Oct. 03 2009, 9:03 pm) | | Quote (Camorite @ Oct. 04 2009, 10:03 am) | | Quote (tribblenator999 @ Oct. 03 2009, 11:40 pm) | | Quote (Camorite @ Oct. 01 2009, 8:28 pm) | | Quote (tribblenator999 @ Oct. 01 2009, 11:40 am) | | Quote (superman46320 @ Sep. 30 2009, 9:07 am) | | It would not be impossible to destroy the Borg, but it would be dam hard to do so. ?I think to complety stop the Borg you would have to destroy every bit of there tech. ?Even right done to the littiest nano probe. ?Someone like Q would be the one to stop the Borg. ?But why would he? |
I think in the 25th century the federation wipes out the borg because of all that tech they developed. Transphasic torpedoes and that super armor. |
The torpedos and armor won't do them much good tribblenator, the Queen assimilated that knowledge and distributed it throughout the collective in the short time it took for the virus to start working. Or didn't you remember that the Sphear that was in pursute of Voyager in the corridor was damaging their armor, unlike the three cubes that attacked the ship the second time it went into the nebula. |
the armor maybe. The torpedoes were totally effective. One shot destroys a borg vessel. Thats impressive as hell. Armor is armor after all, armor sucks. |
Maybe so, but given enough time they would have adapted to the torpedos as well. |
Yeah maybe 100 years. transphasic torpedoes have almost infinite modulation to them that's why they work so well against the borg. |
Transphasic shielding? |
am I the only one here that is actually not a uber borg fan or something. |
I was joking, it did seem a reasonable connection though. |
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Oct. 04 2009, 6:56 pm
| Quote (captbates @ Oct. 04 2009, 6:49 pm) | | Quote (tribblenator999 @ Oct. 03 2009, 11:08 pm) | | Quote (captbates @ Oct. 04 2009, 4:08 pm) | | Quote (tribblenator999 @ Oct. 03 2009, 9:03 pm) | | Quote (Camorite @ Oct. 04 2009, 10:03 am) | | Quote (tribblenator999 @ Oct. 03 2009, 11:40 pm) | | Quote (Camorite @ Oct. 01 2009, 8:28 pm) | | Quote (tribblenator999 @ Oct. 01 2009, 11:40 am) | | Quote (superman46320 @ Sep. 30 2009, 9:07 am) | | It would not be impossible to destroy the Borg, but it would be dam hard to do so. ?I think to complety stop the Borg you would have to destroy every bit of there tech. ?Even right done to the littiest nano probe. ?Someone like Q would be the one to stop the Borg. ?But why would he? |
I think in the 25th century the federation wipes out the borg because of all that tech they developed. Transphasic torpedoes and that super armor. |
The torpedos and armor won't do them much good tribblenator, the Queen assimilated that knowledge and distributed it throughout the collective in the short time it took for the virus to start working. Or didn't you remember that the Sphear that was in pursute of Voyager in the corridor was damaging their armor, unlike the three cubes that attacked the ship the second time it went into the nebula. |
the armor maybe. The torpedoes were totally effective. One shot destroys a borg vessel. Thats impressive as hell. Armor is armor after all, armor sucks. |
Maybe so, but given enough time they would have adapted to the torpedos as well. |
Yeah maybe 100 years. transphasic torpedoes have almost infinite modulation to them that's why they work so well against the borg. |
Transphasic shielding? |
am I the only one here that is actually not a uber borg fan or something. |
I was joking, it did seem a reasonable connection though. ¿ |
I know I just want the borg put to rest or something. |
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Oct. 04 2009, 8:06 pm
The books aren't canon..yes, however..when is the next time the Borg will actually be shown on tv, or in the movies? Probably never, and this goes for NG all the way to VOY and ENT. If these series will probably never come back, then for me and whoever else might believe the same, the books are part of our personal canon.
Besides, the Destiny trilogy is great, as well as the books after it.
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Oct. 04 2009, 10:35 pm
| Quote (LtCmdrHanson @ Oct. 04 2009, 8:06 pm) | The books aren't canon..yes, however..when is the next time the Borg will actually be shown on tv, or in the movies? Probably never, and this goes for NG all the way to VOY and ENT. If these series will probably never come back, then for me and whoever else might believe the same, the books are part of our personal canon.
Besides, the Destiny trilogy is great, as well as the books after it. |
If you consider them part of your personal canon then thats fine, but as for official canon the books are not canon, nor will they likely ever be canon. |
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Oct. 04 2009, 10:45 pm
| Quote (tribblenator999 @ Oct. 04 2009, 6:07 pm) | | Quote (Camorite @ Oct. 04 2009, 4:08 pm) | | Quote (tribblenator999 @ Oct. 04 2009, 4:03 pm) | | Quote (Camorite @ Oct. 04 2009, 10:03 am) | | Quote (tribblenator999 @ Oct. 03 2009, 11:40 pm) | | Quote (Camorite @ Oct. 01 2009, 8:28 pm) | | Quote (tribblenator999 @ Oct. 01 2009, 11:40 am) | | Quote (superman46320 @ Sep. 30 2009, 9:07 am) | | It would not be impossible to destroy the Borg, but it would be dam hard to do so. ?I think to complety stop the Borg you would have to destroy every bit of there tech. ?Even right done to the littiest nano probe. ?Someone like Q would be the one to stop the Borg. ?But why would he? |
I think in the 25th century the federation wipes out the borg because of all that tech they developed. Transphasic torpedoes and that super armor. |
The torpedos and armor won't do them much good tribblenator, the Queen assimilated that knowledge and distributed it throughout the collective in the short time it took for the virus to start working. Or didn't you remember that the Sphear that was in pursute of Voyager in the corridor was damaging their armor, unlike the three cubes that attacked the ship the second time it went into the nebula. |
the armor maybe. The torpedoes were totally effective. One shot destroys a borg vessel. Thats impressive as hell. Armor is armor after all, armor sucks. |
Maybe so, but given enough time they would have adapted to the torpedos as well. |
Yeah maybe 100 years. transphasic torpedoes have almost infinite modulation to them that's why they work so well against the borg. |
And yet a former Borg drone, without the aid of the rest of the collective, was able to discover how they worked and how to block them in Year Of Hell. Hmm, that statement really holds true there tribblenator. ? |
Seven developed chroniton shielding to protect voyager from the chroniton torpedoes of the krenim. However she was kind of late considering voyager was already 60% destroyed when she did develop the shielding. Tell me this if starfleet borg weaponry didn't work so well then why is starfleet still around in the 25th century?!?! |
Obviously they either develop technology to use agianst the Borg, which cannot be used more then once or twice due to their ability to adapt to any defense, or the they decide to give up on conquering earth. But it is established back in the first meeting that the Borg have the ability to LEARN and ADAPT to ny situation. Also there is the fact that the Queen herself even said to Admiral Janeway in Endgame that they would adapt to the torpedos. Janeway response is not before they do that Voyager could do a lot of damage before that happened. This is canon fact that the Borg would eventually adapt to the transphasic torpedos. |
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Oct. 04 2009, 10:55 pm
| Quote (tribblenator999 @ Oct. 04 2009, 6:08 pm) | | am I the only one here that is actually not a uber borg fan or something. |
It has nothing to do with being uber Borg fans tribblenator, but with having a realistic idea of thier capabilities (and yes i know that they are not real, but this same reasoning can be applied to anything). In the end this discution is no different then the ongoing debate of whether the Borg can adapt to projectile weapons and bladed weapons (and i am not trying to start up that debate here, i am only using it as an example), many of us realistically say that they can and will adapt due to canon evidence, while those on the other side say the same thing based only on those two scenes in FC where Picard takes out those drones with a tommygun and Worf with his sword. (not saying that those are not canon evidence, but they are nowhere near conclusive since no more then one or two drones where destroyed using those methods, and canon has shown that it takes anywhere between one to 5 drones to adapt to weapons that are not otherwise modified). In the end it is your own opinions that matters to you, and whether or not they are strong enough to go against all arguements on the contrary. |
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Oct. 06 2009, 12:04 am
| Quote (Camorite @ Oct. 04 2009, 9:35 pm) | | If you consider them part of your personal canon then thats fine, but as for official canon the books are not canon, nor will they likely ever be canon. |
Well, you never know..someone from TPTB might decide that ST needs multiple levels of canon like SW, from a pure financial POV. There's a number of novels that deal with things that were only hinted at in the various series. I was just saying that since the odds are against there ever being another series with the original casts of whatever series, then the info contained in some novels, specifically the backstory of Vulcan and its civil wars that led to Surak's teaching being accepted all over Vulcan for example should be considered canon. Some have said there's too many books to go through to find info that would/could be canon info..why not have a list, similar to those in a fan magazine, only this list of books would have been read and put on the list by TPTB, and editors and writers of the novels. Then the votes for each specific book are tallied, and the top 5, or even 10 would be put into 'canon', or continuity (whichever term is used) Then after a period of time has passed, another list of books is voted on, and the process continues. I know, it would never happen, but there's too many novels, esp. the post-finale novels, and the Destiny trilogy for example that would fit fine. |
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Oct. 06 2009, 3:32 pm
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| Quote | | With the borg gone in the delta quadrant and with all transwarp nexuses destroyed no species in the delta quadrant can step up to major player status. |
They are most likely refering to events portrayed in the books of the Destiny trilogy in which the Celaer(the species from which the borg originate) save the alpha and beta quadrants by assimilating the Borg collective back into the Celaer gestalt. |
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Oct. 06 2009, 5:18 pm
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| Quote | | With the borg gone in the delta quadrant and with all transwarp nexuses destroyed no species in the delta quadrant can step up to major player status. |
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They are most likely refering to events portrayed in the books of the Destiny trilogy in which the Celaer(the species from which the borg originate) save the alpha and beta quadrants by assimilating the Borg collective back into the Celaer gestalt. then, with all due respect, those people are idiots and need to be reminded that Books, as stated several times on this thread already, are not canon. |
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Oct. 06 2009, 9:24 pm
| Quote (tribblenator999 @ Oct. 01 2009, 5:42 pm) | | Quote (exodus201 @ Oct. 01 2009, 3:20 pm) | No, the Borg still exist.
Janeway infected them with a virus. ?Doesn't matter what kind, there are always going to be a few that are immune. ?As long as one drone survives to assimilate, the Borg survive. |
you guys just love the borg done you? |
Yes & no. I've always enjoyed the villain that just won't die. Dr. Doom Brainiac The Vorta Jem Hadar Replicators Michael Myers |
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Oct. 06 2009, 10:32 pm
| Quote (Camorite @ Oct. 06 2009, 2:18 pm) | | Quote (Vice_Adm_Baxter @ Oct. 06 2009, 3:32 pm) | | Quote (Camorite @ Sep. 29 2009, 5:13 pm) | |
| Quote | | With the borg gone in the delta quadrant and with all transwarp nexuses destroyed no species in the delta quadrant can step up to major player status. |
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They are most likely refering to events portrayed in the books of the Destiny trilogy in which the Celaer(the species from which the borg originate) save the alpha and beta quadrants by assimilating the Borg collective back into the Celaer gestalt. |
then, with all due respect, those people are idiots and need to be reminded that Books, as stated several times on this thread already, are not canon. Well when there is no canon explanation books are the next best thing and are better than speculation any day. |
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Oct. 06 2009, 11:06 pm
| Quote (Vice_Adm_Baxter @ Oct. 06 2009, 10:32 pm) | | Quote (Camorite @ Oct. 06 2009, 2:18 pm) | | Quote (Vice_Adm_Baxter @ Oct. 06 2009, 3:32 pm) | | Quote (Camorite @ Sep. 29 2009, 5:13 pm) | |
| Quote | | With the borg gone in the delta quadrant and with all transwarp nexuses destroyed no species in the delta quadrant can step up to major player status. |
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They are most likely refering to events portrayed in the books of the Destiny trilogy in which the Celaer(the species from which the borg originate) save the alpha and beta quadrants by assimilating the Borg collective back into the Celaer gestalt. |
then, with all due respect, those people are idiots and need to be reminded that Books, as stated several times on this thread already, are not canon. |
Well when there is no canon explanation books are the next best thing and are better than speculation any day. As long as they follow the cannon that has already been astablished, i have no problem with what you just said. But at the same time i also still stick with my earlier comment about people who treat novels as canon. |
