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Voyagers Homecoming

captbates

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Report this Sep. 27 2009, 8:19 pm

Given the chance how would you guys have liked Voyager's homecoming to have played out?
I've listed some choices, if you choose other please explain.

I was gonna list "they didn't get home" as an option, leaving the chance of a movie, if that's what you wanted please put it in a post, and only vote for "other" if you have a homecoming idea, other wise the poll will be useless.
You can both vote in the poll and post about VOY not making it home.

Thanks. ¿:)

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Report this Sep. 27 2009, 8:33 pm

I would liked to see Voyager upgraded so it could travel faster. Using a Borg transwarp drive adapted to Voyager would have been cool.

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Report this Sep. 27 2009, 9:32 pm

Quote (captbates @ Sep. 27 2009, 8:19 pm)
Given the chance how would you guys have liked Voyager's homecoming to have played out?
I've listed some choices, if you choose other please explain.

I was gonna list "they didn't get home" as an option, leaving the chance of a movie, if that's what you wanted please put it in a post, and only vote for "other" if you have a homecoming idea, other wise the poll will be useless.
You can both vote in the poll and post about VOY not making it home.

Thanks. ?:)

Why would there be a movie only if their are still there? That makes no since. They could make a movie about going back out on a "normal" mission. After they have some down time here on Earht with their families.

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Report this Sep. 27 2009, 10:00 pm

Quote (janeway54 @ Sep. 27 2009, 2:32 am)
Quote (captbates @ Sep. 27 2009, 8:19 pm)
Given the chance how would you guys have liked Voyager's homecoming to have played out?
I've listed some choices, if you choose other please explain.

I was gonna list "they didn't get home" as an option, leaving the chance of a movie, if that's what you wanted please put it in a post, and only vote for "other" if you have a homecoming idea, other wise the poll will be useless.
You can both vote in the poll and post about VOY not making it home.

Thanks. ?:)

Why would there be a movie only if their are still there? That makes no since. They could make a movie about going back out on a "normal" mission. After they have some down time here on Earht with their families.

Well the fact that they made it back to Earth and no one made a movie about Voyager kinda answers your question as to why it makes sense that a movie would have to take place before they made it to Earth.

The premise of the show was for Voyager to make it back to Earth, travelling through space that no Humans had been to before, if the show had continued after they reached Earth, it would have turned the excitment of following the series for seven years into one big anti climax.

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Report this Sep. 28 2009, 12:57 am

Would have been nice to see Pathfinder bring them home.

Then again, anything would have been better than what happened.

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Report this Sep. 28 2009, 2:21 am

I liked "Endgame" very much. I was totally satisfied with the story and how Voyager returned home.

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Report this Sep. 28 2009, 4:23 am

Quote (Josh_Lyman @ Sep. 27 2009, 5:21 am)
I was liked "Endgame" very much. I was totally satisfied with the story and how Voyager returned home.

Janeway wiped trillions out of existence to save one life, and acted like what she was doing was the most selfless thing imaginable.

At least in Timeless, Harry and Chakotay admitted they were cheating fate and screwing with the timeline.  

Speaking of which, the greatest Voyager episode of all time, Timeless, was basicly this same plot except it was a genuine effort, whereas Endgame was a cheap imitation that failed to live up to its original.  

And lastly, it didn't tie any loose ends up.  The show didn't end, it just sorta stopped going forward.  This was a character driven show - The internal was far more important than the external.  Yet, they closed the external and let the internal just hang there.

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Report this Sep. 28 2009, 9:24 am

Quote (SLagonia @ Sep. 28 2009, 4:23 am)
Quote (Josh_Lyman @ Sep. 27 2009, 5:21 am)
I was liked "Endgame" very much. I was totally satisfied with the story and how Voyager returned home.

Janeway wiped trillions out of existence to save one life, and acted like what she was doing was the most selfless thing imaginable.

At least in Timeless, Harry and Chakotay admitted they were cheating fate and screwing with the timeline. ?

Speaking of which, the greatest Voyager episode of all time, Timeless, was basicly this same plot except it was a genuine effort, whereas Endgame was a cheap imitation that failed to live up to its original. ?

And lastly, it didn't tie any loose ends up. ?The show didn't end, it just sorta stopped going forward. ?This was a character driven show - The internal was far more important than the external. ?Yet, they closed the external and let the internal just hang there.

You don't understand the ending at all do you?

Do you really think the writers would make Janeway a mass murderer in the very last ep. of the series? ¿They have never written any main captain to be a megalomanic.

If that were to happen, they already established there were temporal investigators(DS9's Trials & Tribbulations) and temporal police(Relitivity). ¿None of them interviened, so nothing happened that wasn't supposed to.

Janeway went back to save more than just one person, she when back to bring her family home. ¿Did you listen to her comments in the ep. about how her family wasn't complete? ¿The point was Janeway did all she could to get them home but she came home to nothing. ¿Without Seven, Tuvok or Chakotay, she has no family aymore. ¿If Voyager was character driven the one point about it, was how all these people that had no family or troubled family ties found one in each other. ¿That point as made clear in "11:59".  Guilt is the only motivation Harry had in "Timeless".

The point of "Endgame" wasn't about reuniting with those at home but rather they all came home together. ¿Besides, the knowledge Seven & the EMH now hold is invaluable to the advancement of medical & defense technology. ¿That's a win/win scenario.

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Report this Sep. 28 2009, 9:47 am

though help from Q would have been nice i like how it ended.

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Report this Sep. 28 2009, 10:11 am

I still say they shouldn't have gotten home, but since they did I think it should've been by an upgraded Voyager. With all the technologies they came into contact with, they could've integrated a lot more than just Borg tech into the ship. Better propulsions system, better weapons, etc. The Borg plot went way too far on the show.

Actually, I wouldn't have minded if  Timeless had been the final episode for the show because it's a more realistic ending in terms of Voyager being destroyed and most of the crew not getting back home.

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Report this Sep. 28 2009, 5:09 pm

Thanks for the posts guys, I did hope to get more votes though, so keep them coming :)

btw, choice 8 "help from the Future" was supposed to point at the Temporal agents or something similar, and not Admiral Janeway.

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Report this Sep. 28 2009, 5:14 pm

Quote (exodus201 @ Sep. 27 2009, 12:24 pm)
Quote (SLagonia @ Sep. 28 2009, 4:23 am)
Quote (Josh_Lyman @ Sep. 27 2009, 5:21 am)
I was liked "Endgame" very much. I was totally satisfied with the story and how Voyager returned home.

Janeway wiped trillions out of existence to save one life, and acted like what she was doing was the most selfless thing imaginable.

At least in Timeless, Harry and Chakotay admitted they were cheating fate and screwing with the timeline. ?

Speaking of which, the greatest Voyager episode of all time, Timeless, was basicly this same plot except it was a genuine effort, whereas Endgame was a cheap imitation that failed to live up to its original. ?

And lastly, it didn't tie any loose ends up. ?The show didn't end, it just sorta stopped going forward. ?This was a character driven show - The internal was far more important than the external. ?Yet, they closed the external and let the internal just hang there.

You don't understand the ending at all do you?

Do you really think the writers would make Janeway a mass murderer in the very last ep. of the series? ?They have never written any main captain to be a megalomanic.

If that were to happen, they already established there were temporal investigators(DS9's Trials & Tribbulations) and temporal police(Relitivity). ?None of them interviened, so nothing happened that wasn't supposed to.

Janeway went back to save more than just one person, she when back to bring her family home. ?Did you listen to her comments in the ep. about how her family wasn't complete? ?The point was Janeway did all she could to get them home but she came home to nothing. ?Without Seven, Tuvok or Chakotay, she has no family aymore. ?If Voyager was character driven the one point about it, was how all these people that had no family or troubled family ties found one in each other. ?That point as made clear in "11:59". ?Guilt is the only motivation Harry had in "Timeless".

The point of "Endgame" wasn't about reuniting with those at home but rather they all came home together. ?Besides, the knowledge Seven & the EMH now hold is invaluable to the advancement of medical & defense technology. ?That's a win/win scenario.

First of all, stop assuming that anyone who disagrees with you isn't smart enough to understand.  That kind of arrogance is really annoying.

Second, I understand everything I see in that episode, and I see it all from the producer''s perspective.  They rehashed one of the most popular episodes, included the most popular enemy of the show, filled it with action and made the leading woman the star of the show.  That's everything they wanted in the finale.  This was not about sending messages or closing loose ends, it was about how great the trailer to this episode would be, and how many people they could get to watch and go out on a bang.

To this end, story took a back seat to the action, and character development took a back seat to getting everyone on screen for the sendoff.  When they did this, very stupid things that pop up when you think about it for a little while (like Janeway wiping trillions out for little more than her own selfish wishes) enter all over the place.  

This episode isn't disliked because people didn't understand it, it's disliked because it wasn't good.

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Report this Sep. 28 2009, 7:59 pm

Quote (SLagonia @ Sep. 27 2009, 5:23 am)
Quote (Josh_Lyman @ Sep. 27 2009, 5:21 am)
I was liked "Endgame" very much. I was totally satisfied with the story and how Voyager returned home.

Janeway wiped trillions out of existence to save one life, and acted like what she was doing was the most selfless thing imaginable.

At least in Timeless, Harry and Chakotay admitted they were cheating fate and screwing with the timeline. ¿

Speaking of which, the greatest Voyager episode of all time, Timeless, was basicly this same plot except it was a genuine effort, whereas Endgame was a cheap imitation that failed to live up to its original. ¿

And lastly, it didn't tie any loose ends up. ¿The show didn't end, it just sorta stopped going forward. ¿This was a character driven show - The internal was far more important than the external. ¿Yet, they closed the external and let the internal just hang there.

Janeway did the right thing in "wiping out the Borg. They were enemies of the Federation and all sentient life. I disagree with your opinion about "Endgame".

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Report this Sep. 28 2009, 8:00 pm

Quote (exodus201 @ Sep. 27 2009, 10:24 am)
Quote (SLagonia @ Sep. 28 2009, 4:23 am)
Quote (Josh_Lyman @ Sep. 27 2009, 5:21 am)
I was liked "Endgame" very much. I was totally satisfied with the story and how Voyager returned home.

Janeway wiped trillions out of existence to save one life, and acted like what she was doing was the most selfless thing imaginable.

At least in Timeless, Harry and Chakotay admitted they were cheating fate and screwing with the timeline. ?

Speaking of which, the greatest Voyager episode of all time, Timeless, was basicly this same plot except it was a genuine effort, whereas Endgame was a cheap imitation that failed to live up to its original. ?

And lastly, it didn't tie any loose ends up. ?The show didn't end, it just sorta stopped going forward. ?This was a character driven show - The internal was far more important than the external. ?Yet, they closed the external and let the internal just hang there.

You don't understand the ending at all do you?

Do you really think the writers would make Janeway a mass murderer in the very last ep. of the series? ?They have never written any main captain to be a megalomanic.

If that were to happen, they already established there were temporal investigators(DS9's Trials & Tribbulations) and temporal police(Relitivity). ?None of them interviened, so nothing happened that wasn't supposed to.

Janeway went back to save more than just one person, she when back to bring her family home. ?Did you listen to her comments in the ep. about how her family wasn't complete? ?The point was Janeway did all she could to get them home but she came home to nothing. ?Without Seven, Tuvok or Chakotay, she has no family aymore. ?If Voyager was character driven the one point about it, was how all these people that had no family or troubled family ties found one in each other. ?That point as made clear in "11:59". ¿Guilt is the only motivation Harry had in "Timeless".

The point of "Endgame" wasn't about reuniting with those at home but rather they all came home together. ?Besides, the knowledge Seven & the EMH now hold is invaluable to the advancement of medical & defense technology. ?That's a win/win scenario.

I agree with you 100%.

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Report this Sep. 28 2009, 8:39 pm

Quote (SLagonia @ Sep. 28 2009, 5:14 pm)
Quote (exodus201 @ Sep. 27 2009, 12:24 pm)
Quote (SLagonia @ Sep. 28 2009, 4:23 am)
Quote (Josh_Lyman @ Sep. 27 2009, 5:21 am)
I was liked "Endgame" very much. I was totally satisfied with the story and how Voyager returned home.

Janeway wiped trillions out of existence to save one life, and acted like what she was doing was the most selfless thing imaginable.

At least in Timeless, Harry and Chakotay admitted they were cheating fate and screwing with the timeline. ?

Speaking of which, the greatest Voyager episode of all time, Timeless, was basicly this same plot except it was a genuine effort, whereas Endgame was a cheap imitation that failed to live up to its original. ?

And lastly, it didn't tie any loose ends up. ?The show didn't end, it just sorta stopped going forward. ?This was a character driven show - The internal was far more important than the external. ?Yet, they closed the external and let the internal just hang there.

You don't understand the ending at all do you?

Do you really think the writers would make Janeway a mass murderer in the very last ep. of the series? ?They have never written any main captain to be a megalomanic.

If that were to happen, they already established there were temporal investigators(DS9's Trials & Tribbulations) and temporal police(Relitivity). ?None of them interviened, so nothing happened that wasn't supposed to.

Janeway went back to save more than just one person, she when back to bring her family home. ?Did you listen to her comments in the ep. about how her family wasn't complete? ?The point was Janeway did all she could to get them home but she came home to nothing. ?Without Seven, Tuvok or Chakotay, she has no family aymore. ?If Voyager was character driven the one point about it, was how all these people that had no family or troubled family ties found one in each other. ?That point as made clear in "11:59". ?Guilt is the only motivation Harry had in "Timeless".

The point of "Endgame" wasn't about reuniting with those at home but rather they all came home together. ?Besides, the knowledge Seven & the EMH now hold is invaluable to the advancement of medical & defense technology. ?That's a win/win scenario.

First of all, stop assuming that anyone who disagrees with you isn't smart enough to understand. ?That kind of arrogance is really annoying.

Second, I understand everything I see in that episode, and I see it all from the producer''s perspective. ?They rehashed one of the most popular episodes, included the most popular enemy of the show, filled it with action and made the leading woman the star of the show. ?That's everything they wanted in the finale. ?This was not about sending messages or closing loose ends, it was about how great the trailer to this episode would be, and how many people they could get to watch and go out on a bang.

:laugh:

None of this is the job of a producer, all these plot devices are the creation of the writers. ?The producers job it to make sure the show budget is allocated properly and that everything on the set & cast is running smoothly. ¿

You understand what?  
Your right it wasn't about tying up loose ends, it was about what Voyager was always about-getting home.

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