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Quote (31st_Century_Temporal_Agent @ Sep. 24 2009, 6:14 pm)

Yes it proves it is an alernate timeline not an alternate universe. Time continuum being disrupted.

The people, the places and the events are different from known canon.

It is most likely a different reality as shown in the TNG episode Parallels.

Of course it is all open to interpretation as it should be but there are also clues and the writers explained their approach. Everyone may have different theories.

To me there is little difference if they are starting a parallel universe or not. The story has its impact and if the prime time line continues undisturbed that is fine. If there is no direct evidence in the movie for this I am content. As I say it is open to interpretation as it should be. The most important concept is this movie takes place in a new altered reality. If this erases a prime time line or if it continues in a parallel universe it does not matter to me.

Did you see the article about Spock Reflections comic there is a good scene with T'pring and Spock. You are mentioning this many times so maybe you will like this scene. Also for trivia they were wanting to make the previous Enterprise ship be destroyed but Paramount would not allow for this so April was changed to Robau and Enterprise was changed to Kelvin. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0796366/trivia

SPOILER: The original opening for the movie was going to feature the Enterprise NCC-1701 under the command of Robert April, with George Kirk second in command. At the climax of the scene the Enterprise would have been destroyed, and the Enterprise featured through most of the movie would have been its successor, the NCC-1701-A (which didn't debut until Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home (1986) in the original timeline). However, Paramount told Kurtzman and Orci that the one thing they absolutely could not do was destroy the Enterprise, even if they were going to replace it with a newer one, and so the "original" Enterprise was rewritten into the USS Kelvin, with Captain April becoming Captain Robau.

Quote (trekbuff @ Sep. 24 2009, 3:36 pm)

Quote (Trekwolf164 @ Sep. 24 2009, 6:10 pm) Quote (Narada @ Sep. 24 2009, 6:03 pm) Quote (31st_Century_Temporal_Agent @ Sep. 24 2009, 5:45 pm) I know it is. Most likely as a result of design engineers being different people, technology developing different ways, starfleet's decision making because of the state of affairs perhaps. I fail to see how this proves this is in an alternate universe though? "An alternate reality?" "Precisely. Whatever our lives might have been, if the time continuum was disrupted, our destinies have changed." ? ?- Nyota Uhura and Spock Destiny implies future. The past we were shown is very different from what was presented in TOS . This is where I can see changes from 2233 on, but not the Kelvin appearing the way it did before Nero arrived and I'm hung up on wanting to know what happened to the bonding between Spock and T'Pring being that it should have happened in 2237.

I do hope they show T'pring at some point in TREK XII.

Quote (Narada @ Sep. 24 2009, 3:40 pm)

Did you see the article about Spock Reflections comic there is a good scene with T'pring and Spock. You are mentioning this many times so maybe you will like this scene. Also for trivia they were wanting to make the previous Enterprise ship be destroyed but Paramount would not allow for this so April was changed to Robau and Enterprise was changed to Kelvin. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0796366/trivia SPOILER: The original opening for the movie was going to feature the Enterprise NCC-1701 under the command of Robert April, with George Kirk second in command. At the climax of the scene the Enterprise would have been destroyed, and the Enterprise featured through most of the movie would have been its successor, the NCC-1701-A (which didn't debut until Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home (1986) in the original timeline). However, Paramount told Kurtzman and Orci that the one thing they absolutely could not do was destroy the Enterprise, even if they were going to replace it with a newer one, and so the "original" Enterprise was rewritten into the USS Kelvin, with Captain April becoming Captain Robau.

Thank the prophets they weren't allowed to screw that up.

What are you meaning by this? I feel both ideas are good but I am very glad for Captain Robau and the Kelvin I think they were very cool.

Quote (Narada @ Sep. 24 2009, 3:58 pm)

What are you meaning by this? I feel both ideas are good but I am very glad for Captain Robau and the Kelvin I think they were very cool.

I am glad they were not allowed to destroy the NCC-1701 under the command of Robert April is what I meant. To me personally that would have been a very big insult as it would have been to many fans world wide.

That's all I was reffering to.  

Quote (Vice_Adm_Baxter @ Sep. 24 2009, 7:06 pm)

Quote (Narada @ Sep. 24 2009, 3:58 pm) What are you meaning by this? I feel both ideas are good but I am very glad for Captain Robau and the Kelvin I think they were very cool. I am glad they were not allowed to destroy the NCC-1701 under the command of Robert April is what I meant. To me personally that would have been a very big insult as it would have been to many fans world wide. That's all I was reffering to. ¿

Only Kirk gets to destroy the Enterprise.

More interesting goodies for those that are not aware of them:

Carol Marcus, Kirk's old love interest and mother of his son from Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan (1982), featured in an early draft of the script as a childhood friend of Kirk's in Iowa but the role was cut by the final draft. Nurse Chapel from the original series also is also referenced in the film and has a line of dialogue: Dr. McCoy calls orders her to prepare a medication after Kirk's hands begin to swell, and she responds, "Yes, sir!" However, she does not appear on-screen.


To prepare for his role as Captain James Kirk, Chris Pine watched classic episodes and read encyclopedias about the Star Trek universe. However, his research was rudimentary, as he wanted his performance to be original and not an imitation of William Shatner. He based his performance on Tom Cruise's Maverick and Harrison Ford's Han Solo and Indiana Jones, heroes who Pine felt possessed the archetypal hero qualities Kirk has (humour, arrogance, decisiveness).

At the end of the film Leonard Nimoy, in voice-over, repeats the iconic opening lines from the opening credits to the original "Star Trek" (1966) series. However, one line is changed from "...where no man has gone before." to "...where no one has gone before." (The canon establishes that the Enterprise mission statement originated with Zefram Cochrane ("Enterprise: Broken Bow: Part 1 (#1.1)" (2001)), and that Captain Kirk changed it in his Captain's log, "where no man...where no one has gone before" in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country (1991) after having learned lessons about racism and xenophobia in that picture. Accordingly that version of the mission statement was used by Captain Picard in "Star Trek: The Next Generation" (1987). Since Spock has lived into that era, it makes sense that he would adopt the new version.)

Quote (Vice_Adm_Baxter @ Sep. 24 2009, 7:06 pm)

Quote (Narada @ Sep. 24 2009, 3:58 pm) What are you meaning by this? I feel both ideas are good but I am very glad for Captain Robau and the Kelvin I think they were very cool. I am glad they were not allowed to destroy the NCC-1701 under the command of Robert April is what I meant. To me personally that would have been a very big insult as it would have been to many fans world wide. That's all I was reffering to. ¿

Yes I understand and I also feel this was the main reason for it to be avoided.

Quote (DammitJim6200 @ Sep. 24 2009, 4:13 pm)

Quote (Vice_Adm_Baxter @ Sep. 23 2009, 8:09 pm) More interesting goodies for those that are not aware of them: Carol Marcus, Kirk's old love interest and mother of his son from Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan (1982), featured in an early draft of the script as a childhood friend of Kirk's in Iowa but the role was cut by the final draft. Nurse Chapel from the original series also is also referenced in the film and has a line of dialogue: Dr. McCoy calls orders her to prepare a medication after Kirk's hands begin to swell, and she responds, "Yes, sir!" However, she does not appear on-screen. To prepare for his role as Captain James Kirk, Chris Pine watched classic episodes and read encyclopedias about the Star Trek universe. However, his research was rudimentary, as he wanted his performance to be original and not an imitation of William Shatner. He based his performance on Tom Cruise's Maverick and Harrison Ford's Han Solo and Indiana Jones, heroes who Pine felt possessed the archetypal hero qualities Kirk has (humour, arrogance, decisiveness). At the end of the film Leonard Nimoy, in voice-over, repeats the iconic opening lines from the opening credits to the original "Star Trek" (1966) series. However, one line is changed from "...where no man has gone before." to "...where no one has gone before." (The canon establishes that the Enterprise mission statement originated with Zefram Cochrane ("Enterprise: Broken Bow: Part 1 (#1.1)" (2001)), and that Captain Kirk changed it in his Captain's log, "where no man...where no one has gone before" in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country (1991) after having learned lessons about racism and xenophobia in that picture. Accordingly that version of the mission statement was used by Captain Picard in "Star Trek: The Next Generation" (1987). Since Spock has lived into that era, it makes sense that he would adopt the new version.) Chris Pine IS NO JIM KIRK..I don't care how many "Episodes he saw".

If that's what you believe then fine no need to YELL at me ok?

Quote (Vice_Adm_Baxter @ Sep. 23 2009, 8:18 pm)

Quote (DammitJim6200 @ Sep. 24 2009, 4:13 pm) Quote (Vice_Adm_Baxter @ Sep. 23 2009, 8:09 pm) More interesting goodies for those that are not aware of them: Carol Marcus, Kirk's old love interest and mother of his son from Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan (1982), featured in an early draft of the script as a childhood friend of Kirk's in Iowa but the role was cut by the final draft. Nurse Chapel from the original series also is also referenced in the film and has a line of dialogue: Dr. McCoy calls orders her to prepare a medication after Kirk's hands begin to swell, and she responds, "Yes, sir!" However, she does not appear on-screen. To prepare for his role as Captain James Kirk, Chris Pine watched classic episodes and read encyclopedias about the Star Trek universe. However, his research was rudimentary, as he wanted his performance to be original and not an imitation of William Shatner. He based his performance on Tom Cruise's Maverick and Harrison Ford's Han Solo and Indiana Jones, heroes who Pine felt possessed the archetypal hero qualities Kirk has (humour, arrogance, decisiveness). At the end of the film Leonard Nimoy, in voice-over, repeats the iconic opening lines from the opening credits to the original "Star Trek" (1966) series. However, one line is changed from "...where no man has gone before." to "...where no one has gone before." (The canon establishes that the Enterprise mission statement originated with Zefram Cochrane ("Enterprise: Broken Bow: Part 1 (#1.1)" (2001)), and that Captain Kirk changed it in his Captain's log, "where no man...where no one has gone before" in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country (1991) after having learned lessons about racism and xenophobia in that picture. Accordingly that version of the mission statement was used by Captain Picard in "Star Trek: The Next Generation" (1987). Since Spock has lived into that era, it makes sense that he would adopt the new version.) Chris Pine IS NO JIM KIRK..I don't care how many "Episodes he saw". If that's what you believe then fine no need to YELL at me ok?

I'm not yelling at you ol'friend, I'm yelling at JJ Abrams.