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Romulan Warbird vs Imperial Star destroyer

Ali88

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Report this Sep. 20 2009, 6:08 pm

I'd say the Romulan warbird

tribblenator999

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Report this Sep. 20 2009, 7:23 pm

well I'll say the romulan warbird because it's got a cloaking device. But if warsie fans here bring up SW fire power they'll say star wars ships because of the sheer firepower.

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Report this Sep. 20 2009, 10:42 pm

Romulan Cloaks are vulnerable to detection from subspace listening posts, gravitic sensors, and tachyon detection grids. Their vulnerability to subspace listening posts means that they must still "leak" enough subspace energy to be detected even at many light years' range. Their vulnerability to gravitic sensors means that they have no way of concealing the space-time distortion created by their presence. Their vulnerability to tachyon detection grids means that they can bend visible light around the ship but not the fabric of space-time itself.

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Report this Sep. 21 2009, 10:14 am

Quote (Lucifer_ @ Sep. 20 2009, 10:42 pm)
Romulan Cloaks are vulnerable to detection from subspace listening posts, gravitic sensors, and tachyon detection grids. Their vulnerability to subspace listening posts means that they must still "leak" enough subspace energy to be detected even at many light years' range. Their vulnerability to gravitic sensors means that they have no way of concealing the space-time distortion created by their presence. Their vulnerability to tachyon detection grids means that they can bend visible light around the ship but not the fabric of space-time itself.

There's also the engine emissions. ¿Which in short, means that Imperial sensors should have little trouble spotting the warbird, especially if there's a crystal gravity trap onboard. ¿

Even if it can't spot the Rommie ship, we're talking about a four tot five order of magnitude firepower difference here. ¿The Romulan ship can expend every last ounce of its disruptor and torpedo munitions and it won't even *dent* the ISD's shields, let alone its hull. ¿

The Imperial ship, meanwhile, need only determine where the bright green beams of light are originating from, spam fire the area with hundreds of turbolasers, and land a single hit to remove the warbird from the equation. ¿

In short, we've got a Vlad Tepes here.  Why do you people keep doing this? What is this eternal 'Trek must triumph over Wars!' thing going on at this site.  

The latter beats the former hands down in every category related to war and battle, just as the Empire is outclassed in every and fashion by sci-fi factions like the Daleks and the Xeelee.

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Report this Sep. 21 2009, 11:00 am

I think we do these trek vs. anything threads is because we know trek is very low in terms of categories like firepower and well it makes the fans feel better knowing trek isn't in the bottom of the food chain when it comes to this kind of stuff. At least wars is pretty high on the firepower food chain. How can the daleks be much of a threat if all it's needed is open a rift in space to suck them all in trapping them there, they do this kind of s**t in trek all the time. :)

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Report this Sep. 21 2009, 12:22 pm

Quote (tribblenator999 @ Sep. 21 2009, 11:00 am)
I think we do these trek vs. anything threads is because we know trek is very low in terms of categories like firepower and well it makes the fans feel better knowing trek isn't in the bottom of the food chain when it comes to this kind of stuff. At least wars is pretty high on the firepower food chain. How can the daleks be much of a threat if all it's needed is open a rift in space to suck them all in trapping them there, they do this kind of s**t in trek all the time. :)

Because the Daleks would have traveled back in time and prevented the Federation from even existing? Unlike most Trek races, Dalek using Time Travel alphas strikes to wipe out opponents isn't just a one off thing of travling back a century or two, we're talking thousand to million, even billion year jumps to remove the obstacle from existence.  It's a standard operating procedure for them.  

Then there's the fact that their warships are capable of 'cracking a planet like an egg.' Something Trek ships notably cannot do.

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Report this Sep. 21 2009, 1:42 pm

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Quote (tribblenator999 @ Sep. 21 2009, 11:00 am)
I think we do these trek vs. anything threads is because we know trek is very low in terms of categories like firepower and well it makes the fans feel better knowing trek isn't in the bottom of the food chain when it comes to this kind of stuff. At least wars is pretty high on the firepower food chain. How can the daleks be much of a threat if all it's needed is open a rift in space to suck them all in trapping them there, they do this kind of s**t in trek all the time. :)

Because the Daleks would have traveled back in time and prevented the Federation from even existing? Unlike most Trek races, Dalek using Time Travel alphas strikes to wipe out opponents isn't just a one off thing of travling back a century or two, we're talking thousand to million, even billion year jumps to remove the obstacle from existence. ¿It's a standard operating procedure for them. ¿

Then there's the fact that their warships are capable of 'cracking a planet like an egg.' Something Trek ships notably cannot do.

I hear you but you don't have a issue of trek having such weak firepower category in comparison to other sci-fis?

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Report this Sep. 21 2009, 2:12 pm

I sure as hell don't. I know it rankles the @$$es of many Trektards, though. For them the personal obsession of Trek uber alles ™ and Trek being the best sci-fi franchise are one and the same thing.

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Report this Sep. 21 2009, 2:49 pm

Quote (tribblenator999 @ Sep. 21 2009, 1:42 pm)
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Quote (tribblenator999 @ Sep. 21 2009, 11:00 am)
I think we do these trek vs. anything threads is because we know trek is very low in terms of categories like firepower and well it makes the fans feel better knowing trek isn't in the bottom of the food chain when it comes to this kind of stuff. At least wars is pretty high on the firepower food chain. How can the daleks be much of a threat if all it's needed is open a rift in space to suck them all in trapping them there, they do this kind of s**t in trek all the time. :)

Because the Daleks would have traveled back in time and prevented the Federation from even existing? Unlike most Trek races, Dalek using Time Travel alphas strikes to wipe out opponents isn't just a one off thing of travling back a century or two, we're talking thousand to million, even billion year jumps to remove the obstacle from existence. ?It's a standard operating procedure for them. ?

Then there's the fact that their warships are capable of 'cracking a planet like an egg.' Something Trek ships notably cannot do.

I hear you but you don't have a issue of trek having such weak firepower category in comparison to other sci-fis?

No more than I get rackled about my favorite franchises (Halo/Star Wars) getting smashed by the bigger hitters of sci-fi.  

Lucifer raises another point that I've said for years.

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Report this Sep. 21 2009, 5:36 pm

The good thing for all reading is that they will never know :logical:

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Report this Sep. 21 2009, 7:29 pm

I don't get rackled by star treks weak firepower category but I was sure as hell surprised when people pointed out star trek is on babylon 5 level. That kind of spooked me out. :)

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Report this Sep. 22 2009, 10:16 am

I just can't believe that whenever these polls/threads come up, the Warsies always claim superior firepower, or shield strength, Jedi whatever.

I know that the lasers in Trek aren't the same as SW, but come on..I'll never believe that Fett's ship could take out a Galaxy class.

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Report this Sep. 22 2009, 12:23 pm

Quote (LtCmdrHanson @ Sep. 22 2009, 10:16 am)
I just can't believe that whenever these polls/threads come up, the Warsies always claim superior firepower, or shield strength, Jedi whatever.

I know that the lasers in Trek aren't the same as SW, but come on..I'll never believe that Fett's ship could take out a Galaxy class.

Just watch AOTC during the asteroid chase scene. Fett's mines/charges were shattering entire fields of asteroids that were when put together, far larger than the asteroid that the Ent-D was incapable of destroying without using 'nearly all of their (275) photon torpedoes'.  

Now, factor in that Slave-1 is a Firespray class patrol ship.  It is, literally, the Star Wars equivilent of a Crown-Victoria police cruiser.  It's a cop car.

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Report this Sep. 23 2009, 12:41 am

So why in the OT were the SD's and their crew so inept? The PT ret-conned so much into the OT IMO. Suddenly the troopers in the OT had impressive armor, but one of the SW guides it says the OT armor is better, and worse then the PT trooper armor, the ships were made to be uber-ships, the Jedi became superheros, they could do no wrong.

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Report this Sep. 23 2009, 12:12 pm

Quote (LtCmdrHanson @ Sep. 23 2009, 12:41 am)
So why in the OT were the SD's and their crew so inept? The PT ret-conned so much into the OT IMO. Suddenly the troopers in the OT had impressive armor, but one of the SW guides it says the OT armor is better, and worse then the PT trooper armor, the ships were made to be uber-ships, the Jedi became superheros, they could do no wrong.

What does ineptness have to do with firepower? Where does the OT show armor and weaponry that is inferior? Where are the Jedi shown to be massively inferior with no good reason (considering the ones we see are two decrypted old men and a young man given the 'how to be a Jedi in 72 hours or less' treatment).  

And yes, the Jedi could do much wrong. This is repeatedly stated, shown, and even admitted.  Hell, Yoda himself admits in the EU, to none other than Dooku, that he has and does use the Dark Side, so he's a hypocrite among other things.

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