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With the advent of holodecks/holosuites...

QDominion

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Report this Sep. 18 2009, 2:31 pm

I was thinking that if a holodeck or holosuite were really invented, then wouldn't a huge percentage of the population just make it their life's goal to buy one?

Obviously they would be very expensive, but still.  Wouldn't a large portion of the population spend as much time as possible in the holodeck?  Why live a real life when you can live and do anything you want.  Having a holodeck is pretty close to being a god, so why would people live a humdrum life?  I would have thought that the lines for the holosuites at Quark's would have jammed the promenade on DS9 in real life.

I doubt that a large portion of the population would have an attitude of "yeah, but it's not REAL", because for all intents and purposes it is.  I know that if I lived on DS9, I'd make as much money as I could just to spend as much time at the holosuites as I could.

juliansgirl7

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Report this Sep. 18 2009, 2:57 pm

I'm sure there will also be holosuite centers, like amusement centers, where you can rent a few hours(a real Quark's bar, for example) for those who can't afford to have their own holosuites

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Report this Sep. 18 2009, 3:02 pm

Considering the advent of the technology today, yes it would be expensive on a consumer level, but also impactful on an economic level.

The cost to the consumer, while high, would ultimately be offset and pay for itself by saving money on actually going to vacation locales, spending money on food and lodging and transportation, but also remember that a holodeck is not just a holodeck, its also replicator technology (food, drinks, other consumables).

its impact on economy are derivative off of the same functions above, because now people arent going to those locales spending money on their economies, not providing fiscal support to airlines and other transit services and so forth.

Yes, having holodecks will greatly reduce the use of and need of fossil fuels and that's always a good thing, but there is the extended economic issues to worry about, but then again, I dont really care about supporting economies other than my own country's, so it is a bit of a loaded issue.

Personally I'd love one - because I cant ever afford to go anywhere on vacation much less take one - with a holodeck the world is open to me.

I know I didnt think this through fully like I normally would.....but its 3pm on Friday - do your own thinking, dammit I've already taken enough crap this week because of people who dont think their jobs through fully before dropping it on my desk.

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Report this Sep. 20 2009, 11:52 am

A large portion of the population already spends too much time on the internet. Having a holodeck would be cool, but I don't want to wind up like Lt. Barclay and develop a holodiction that'll put a crimp on my social life.

In my opinion, I'd much rather have a transporter than a holodeck. Don't know much it'll take to maintain one of those though...

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Report this Sep. 21 2009, 2:41 am

^  Indeed, a transporter would be ideal.  There are lots of places I would like to go but the process of getting from A to B is a drag.  Whoever said that life is about the journey, not the destination, is flat wrong.  I want to be on the beach, not in a car for six hours getting there.

tribblenator999

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Report this Sep. 21 2009, 11:04 am

I would so love a holodeck. I can beat up anyone i feel like. LOL

juliansgirl7

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Report this Sep. 21 2009, 12:52 pm

Quote (Unregistered_Guest @ Sep. 21 2009, 2:41 am)
^ ¿Indeed, a transporter would be ideal. ¿There are lots of places I would like to go but the process of getting from A to B is a drag. ¿Whoever said that life is about the journey, not the destination, is flat wrong. ¿I want to be on the beach, not in a car for six hours getting there.

And I could transport to any convention I want to (provided I actually had money for the convention, too)

Admiral_JTK

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Report this Sep. 21 2009, 12:58 pm

Quote (juliansgirl7 @ Sep. 21 2009, 12:52 pm)
Quote (Unregistered_Guest @ Sep. 21 2009, 2:41 am)
^ ?Indeed, a transporter would be ideal. ?There are lots of places I would like to go but the process of getting from A to B is a drag. ?Whoever said that life is about the journey, not the destination, is flat wrong. ?I want to be on the beach, not in a car for six hours getting there.

And I could transport to any convention I want to (provided I actually had money for the convention, too)

silly girl - why would you need that? just transport INSIDE the convention past the ticket booth.

Yes a transporter would be a good thing to have, but a holodeck alleviates the need for money - lets get rid of money, then bring in the tranporters - then all is good.
Still the one good thing about holodecks is....

Computer, bad weather? none of that.
Make it slightly overcast, very low relative humidity, a constant mild breeze and nothing greater than 75 degrees with no direct beaming sunlight.

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Report this Sep. 21 2009, 1:05 pm

If I had my own holosuite I think I'd live in it.

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Report this Sep. 21 2009, 1:21 pm

My guess is that Holosuites are like modern-day amusement parks. They would be WAY too expensive and way too power-costly for anyone but the very well-to-do elite to have individual possession of.

I'm sure they are much more common on deep-space Starships and Space Stations with antimatter reactors and massive computer systems than they would be at someone's home. The amount of power and computer memory required to run even the most basic of programs is probably quite enormous, even by 24th century standards.

There are probably planetside holoparks that are public and need to be rented...but probably not many private owners.

But, yeah...If I had my own...wow.

juliansgirl7

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Report this Sep. 21 2009, 1:22 pm

Quote (Admiral_JTK @ Sep. 21 2009, 12:58 pm)
Quote (juliansgirl7 @ Sep. 21 2009, 12:52 pm)
Quote (Unregistered_Guest @ Sep. 21 2009, 2:41 am)
^ ?Indeed, a transporter would be ideal. ?There are lots of places I would like to go but the process of getting from A to B is a drag. ?Whoever said that life is about the journey, not the destination, is flat wrong. ?I want to be on the beach, not in a car for six hours getting there.

And I could transport to any convention I want to (provided I actually had money for the convention, too)

silly girl - why would you need that? just transport INSIDE the convention past the ticket booth.

'Cuz I'm not a Criminal-I don't sneak into places-if you do, that your business  :p  :laugh:

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Report this Sep. 21 2009, 2:05 pm

I'd do what Barclay did and create a holograms of whole starships. I'd have a program for every era and epsiode of Star Trek, so I could mix and match crews, or drop a starship into another Trek series. That would be pretty badass. I'd do fleet battles, explore the unknwown with the ship and captain of my choice, and basically the fun would never stop.

QDominion

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Report this Oct. 08 2009, 5:49 pm

Quote (Vger23 @ Sep. 21 2009, 1:21 pm)
My guess is that Holosuites are like modern-day amusement parks. They would be WAY too expensive and way too power-costly for anyone but the very well-to-do elite to have individual possession of.

I'm sure they are much more common on deep-space Starships and Space Stations with antimatter reactors and massive computer systems than they would be at someone's home. The amount of power and computer memory required to run even the most basic of programs is probably quite enormous, even by 24th century standards.

There are probably planetside holoparks that are public and need to be rented...but probably not many private owners.

But, yeah...If I had my own...wow.

You know what, that's a pretty ####ed good answer, thanks!  It makes alot of sense.  I never really thought that it would take incredible amounts of energy (I mean obviously it would but that aspect slipped my mind) and that only being connected to a station's/ship's power supply would make it viable.

However, it does make me wonder.  The character that wanted Quark to make a holosuite program of Kira had his own holosuite and I guess that was the genesis for this thread.

I'm sure he was extremely rich, but it seems to me that personal holosuites were obviously available, and even if they were very expensive, I would think that many many people would just forego everything else except for earning money for a personal holosuite since having one really would make you a god for all intents and purposes, and that's a very attractive scenario.

juliansgirl7

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Report this Oct. 08 2009, 6:43 pm

I'm sure we'd see private holosuites on such shows as "The Fabulous Life of..." on VH-1 where they show the luxurious homes of stars.

Now what celeb do you think would Definitely have one?

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Report this Oct. 12 2009, 11:10 am

Quote (Admiral_JTK @ Sep. 17 2009, 4:02 pm)
Considering the advent of the technology today, yes it would be expensive on a consumer level, but also impactful on an economic level.

The cost to the consumer, while high, would ultimately be offset and pay for itself by saving money on actually going to vacation locales, spending money on food and lodging and transportation, but also remember that a holodeck is not just a holodeck, its also replicator technology (food, drinks, other consumables).

its impact on economy are derivative off of the same functions above, because now people arent going to those locales spending money on their economies, not providing fiscal support to airlines and other transit services and so forth.

Yes, having holodecks will greatly reduce the use of and need of fossil fuels and that's always a good thing, but there is the extended economic issues to worry about, but then again, I dont really care about supporting economies other than my own country's, so it is a bit of a loaded issue.

Personally I'd love one - because I cant ever afford to go anywhere on vacation much less take one - with a holodeck the world is open to me.

I know I didnt think this through fully like I normally would.....but its 3pm on Friday - do your own thinking, dammit I've already taken enough crap this week because of people who dont think their jobs through fully before dropping it on my desk.

How would it decrease the use of fossil fuels when they are still the major means of generating electricity.  Holodecks don't run on air you know.

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