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Which is faster, the speed of light or time?

dryson

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Report this Sep. 15 2009, 3:43 pm

Which is faster the speed of light or time?

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Report this Sep. 15 2009, 4:54 pm

Velocity is a measure of distance displaced over time.

GrandLunar2007

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Report this Sep. 15 2009, 8:54 pm

Who ever said that time had a speed?

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Report this Sep. 15 2009, 9:00 pm

The faster you go, the more time slows down, so I vote light.

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Report this Sep. 16 2009, 1:42 am

Um ... yeah

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Report this Sep. 16 2009, 7:37 pm

Quote (GrandLunar2007 @ Sep. 14 2009, 9:54 pm)
Who ever said that time had a speed?

Time has a speed relative to light?

The speed of light is a measure of distance over time.

That distance being primarily space,

but since space doesn't really exist...

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Report this Sep. 16 2009, 8:59 pm

At c, any amount of time equals zero.

They both move at c, hence if you move faster than c, you will head into older times and watch the universe evolve backwards.

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Report this Sep. 16 2009, 9:35 pm

Quote (4_of_20 @ Sep. 16 2009, 8:59 pm)
At c, any amount of time equals zero.

They both move at c, hence if you move faster than c, you will head into older times and watch the universe evolve backwards.

And as such, how we were conveniently able to invent subspace to prevent that from happening in our science fiction epics ;)

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Report this Sep. 18 2009, 1:12 am

Didn't any of you see Star Trek IV? The speed of Time was after they passed Warp 10 while doing the slingshot around the sun. Light is only Warp 1, so Time is faster than Light. :D :laugh:

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Report this Sep. 18 2009, 2:55 am

Quote (Lucifer_ @ Sep. 18 2009, 1:12 am)
Didn't any of you see Star Trek IV? The speed of Time was after they passed Warp 10 while doing the slingshot around the sun. Light is only Warp 1, so Time is faster than Light. :D :laugh:

Hi there,

Is there any reason you use the Latin name of Satan as a username???  Is that your religion?

BTW, nice to meet you in this forum.

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Report this Sep. 18 2009, 10:46 am

Quote (starbase63 @ Sep. 18 2009, 8:43 am)
Quote (dryson @ Sep. 15 2009, 3:43 pm)
Which is faster the speed of light or time?

If I remember correctly, the speed of light is a constant, time is relative...

:logical:

AFAIK, you are correct.

Really, it doesn't make sense to state that time has a speed.

It's like asking "What's the speed of height" or "What's the speed of length"?

Interestingly, our perseption of size can also alter as we approach light speed. IIRC, an observer will percieve an object traveling near light speed not only to have slower time, but also it will appear to be compressed.
The traveller will notice similar phenomenon.

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Report this Sep. 18 2009, 5:29 pm

First we have to look at what the speed of light and the speed of time both are. The speed of light is the amount of time, or the distance traveled by a photon due to the interaction of particles resulting in the release of the light photon. The speed of light is 299,792,458 meters per second. It takes a single light photon 8.17 light minutes to reach the sun from the Earth.

There are three types of time. The first being historical time, which is a measure of historical events that have already taken place and are the past. These events cannot be changed nor can one travel faster then the speed of light hoping to go back to change these events. These events take place along a linear time line which it is used to measure the amount of time that Earth rotates on a daily basis as well as orbiting the sun.

The next is linear time or Quantitive time which in this case means the quantity of a certain number ranging from 0 - 9 that can be measured in planck, seconds, minutes, hours, days, week's, months ect. one inch, two inches or three inches ect.

The third type of time is mediated time or the measureable distance that an atom travels within a medium due to the atoms interaction with other atoms where the atoms energetic properties as well as the medium in which the atoms reside in interact in such a way to create an energetic release of distance.

The third type of time is what we will be comparing against the speed of light.

We know that it takes 8.17 LM for a light photon to travel from the Sun to the Earth. We also know that the time of the photon or the distance that it travels ¿to the Earth is a reaction of energetic properties within a medium as well as the medium's energetic properties . When the light photon is traveling from the Sun to the Earth it's time or direction of travel can be drawn in a straight line towards the Earth. The photons mediated time line will actually have reached the Earth at the exact instant that the photon was created. Unless, the photon has it's mediated time deviated by another energetic reaction where the mediated time of the photon is directed away from the Earth and is sent in a new direction thus making the new point that the photon is heading towards different which will still make that new point of incidence faster then the speed of light until affected upon by another causility.

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Report this Sep. 21 2009, 7:42 pm

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I thought this topic was loaded  You were simply waiting to see how many people you could educate.

The speed of light is described as the distance (an arbitrary measurement) a photon travels in a given amount of time (another arbitrary measurement).

Historical occurances have a chronology because we are not Q or wormhole aliens.

Our primative brains see time as linear. Linear time is not another type of time. It is a further construct of the passage of time. Why 0 - 9? Why not 0 - 7 or 0 - E or any other base system? Then you attempt to converge two different constructs with time and distance.

Wait for it... Whap! The third type of time...

Did you learn something in school this month? Good for you.

Let me know when your ready to discuss the quantum vibrations in the valence shells of the cesium atom being used in the atomic clock and the inherent problem of their measurement making them inaccurate/inconsistant to the extent that three of them are generally used for beat frequency harmonics as a more reliable method or why the red shift theory somehow proving an ever expanding universe is an illusion. I'll be here.

By the way, concerning you final paragraph: If your professor pulled the parallax paradox on you and you fell for it... Oops!


Wrong again, there are three distinct types of time.

Like I said the first is historical time or the measure of events that have taken place within a certain range of years. Humanity uses this type of measure to measure it's progress based on the past. This can be be seen by looking back in history at the Wright Brothers first flight and then looking at todays modern aircraft.

The second is linear time or a measure of distance of length. This means that three feet will equal three feet on a ruler but will not equal a certain amount of historical time as measured on the historical time line scale. Linear time is used by engineers to establish a point of reference from point A to point B when designing a bucket for an excavator, designing a home, or designing an airplane. This type of time can be controlled by humanity as it designed to peform a certain end result.

The third type of measure is quantitive time, or the measure of quantity. You can have ten oranges lined up in a row but each subsquential alingment of a different group of ten oranges will not equal the same amount of linear time for each group.

Then there is mediated time or the measurable distance that occurs between two particles that interact with one another. These particles are the particles that come from the table of elements and are not biological nor are they controlled biologically. Their measureable distance is determined by their reaction to one another based upon their energetic properties reacting to one another as well as the energetic properties of the medium that they reside in that will exerting a force back upon them.

So you see, not all measures of time are the same.

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Report this Sep. 21 2009, 7:49 pm

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I thought this topic was loaded  You were simply waiting to see how many people you could educate.

The speed of light is described as the distance (an arbitrary measurement) a photon travels in a given amount of time (another arbitrary measurement).

Historical occurances have a chronology because we are not Q or wormhole aliens.

Our primative brains see time as linear. Linear time is not another type of time. It is a further construct of the passage of time. Why 0 - 9? Why not 0 - 7 or 0 - E or any other base system? Then you attempt to converge two different constructs with time and distance.

Wait for it... Whap! The third type of time...

Did you learn something in school this month? Good for you.

Let me know when your ready to discuss the quantum vibrations in the valence shells of the cesium atom being used in the atomic clock and the inherent problem of their measurement making them inaccurate/inconsistant to the extent that three of them are generally used for beat frequency harmonics as a more reliable method or why the red shift theory somehow proving an ever expanding universe is an illusion. I'll be here.

By the way, concerning you final paragraph: If your professor pulled the parallax paradox on you and you fell for it... Oops!


Your first mistake was adding a reference of a fictional character and fictional race of beings into the topic discussion. Perhaps maybe you should go back and watch all of the science fiction that you can to base your independant thoughts from.

If you think time is a flat one sided plane of measure, perhaps you should sit down and read a dictionary one and awhile and learn what word structure is and how words are used to form coherent and understandable sentences to convey what someone is trying to talk or write about.

Did you know that 95% of humanity can only talk about what they are taught to know without the ability to hold a decent conversation other then what they watched on T.V. the night before.

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Report this Sep. 21 2009, 7:55 pm

The correct answer is time.

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