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Too many Moby Dick references?

Sara_Paris

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Report this Sep. 17 2009, 11:44 pm

Quote (MrsStarbuck @ Sep. 17 2009, 6:20 am)
Quote (Sara_Paris @ Sep. 16 2009, 5:16 am)
Starbuck I think you should seriously write a paper on the correlation between Trek and Moby Dick.

ha ha. I probably could. But I doubt that anyone would want to read it but me :laugh:

No actually I would read it and I seriously think you should! :)

MrsStarbuck

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Report this Sep. 18 2009, 6:41 am

Quote (Sara_Paris @ Sep. 17 2009, 5:44 am)
No actually I would read it and I seriously think you should! :)

Wow. Okay :)

Although I need to have seen a bit more of Trek first I think. I've still got TOS series 3 to finish, and I haven't seen any of TNG yet.

Then of course I should probably read the book again (always a pleasure).

I'll make it a work in progress for now ;)

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Report this Sep. 18 2009, 7:09 am

A nice little read.

A good article, the Moby Dick (and Tale of Two Cities) discussion picks-up on page two.

MrsStarbuck

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Report this Sep. 18 2009, 7:46 am

Quote (Admiral_BlackCat @ Sep. 17 2009, 1:09 pm)
A nice little read.

A good article, the Moby Dick (and Tale of Two Cities) discussion picks-up on page two.

That was really interesting, thanks.

But boy, does he hate TNG!


He also seems to think that Meyer was the one responsible for connecting Moby Dick with Star Trek, whereas I'd argue that the whole premise of TOS could be compared with the book and fitting parallells made.
Meyer was simply the first one to make it 'obvious' where his influences lay.

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Report this Sep. 18 2009, 8:14 am

Quote (MrsStarbuck @ Sep. 18 2009, 4:46 am)
Quote (Admiral_BlackCat @ Sep. 17 2009, 1:09 pm)
A nice little read.

A good article, the Moby Dick (and Tale of Two Cities) discussion picks-up on page two.

That was really interesting, thanks.

But boy, does he hate TNG!


He also seems to think that Meyer was the one responsible for connecting Moby Dick with Star Trek, whereas I'd argue that the whole premise of TOS could be compared with the book and fitting parallells made.
Meyer was simply the first one to make it 'obvious' where his influences lay.

Very well done with your Moby Dick and Star Trek connections. One of the appeals for me are the many parallels between Star Trek stories and literary classics. Not just lifting lines of dialogue and obvious refreneces, but sharing the themes and concepts.
You might like the book:
"Literary Galaxy of Star Trek: An Analysis of References and Themes in the Television Series and Films"

MrsStarbuck

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Report this Sep. 18 2009, 8:39 am

Quote (Admiral_BlackCat @ Sep. 17 2009, 2:14 pm)
Very well done with your Moby Dick and Star Trek connections. One of the appeals for me are the many parallels between Star Trek stories and literary classics. Not just lifting lines of dialogue and obvious refreneces, but sharing the themes and concepts.
You might like the book:
"Literary Galaxy of Star Trek: An Analysis of References and Themes in the Television Series and Films"

I agree, it gives the stories a whole deeper level IMO.

And thanks for the recommendation, that sounds like something I'd find fascinating to read.

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Report this Sep. 18 2009, 9:12 am

Quote (starbase63 @ Sep. 15 2009, 6:24 pm)
Star Trek has always borrowed from great literature.

Of course ST: NEM has the Moby Dick angle, because it was a well-disguised rip-off of STII: TWOK.

:logical:

Actually no. It was based on that film, but some scenes (including Shinzon's death) are based on other great pieces of literature (Shakespeare), mirroring a father/son scenario.

Moby Dick is linked to FC (that much, that Stewart actually DID play Ahab in a 1997 TV movie production).

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Report this Sep. 18 2009, 11:04 am

FC lifted the Moby Dick reference theme from TWOK, just like NEM lifted it's plot from TWOK and TUC.

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Report this Sep. 18 2009, 3:03 pm

Quote (MrsStarbuck @ Sep. 18 2009, 6:41 am)
Quote (Sara_Paris @ Sep. 17 2009, 5:44 am)
No actually I would read it and I seriously think you should! :)

Wow. Okay :)

Although I need to have seen a bit more of Trek first I think. I've still got TOS series 3 to finish, and I haven't seen any of TNG yet.

Then of course I should probably read the book again (always a pleasure).

I'll make it a work in progress for now ;)

You haven't seen any TNG?! You better get to work! :D

MrsStarbuck

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Report this Sep. 18 2009, 4:31 pm

Quote (Sara_Paris @ Sep. 17 2009, 9:03 pm)
You haven't seen any TNG?! You better get to work! :D

ha ha...I haven't even finished TOS yet (I'm a noob). I'll get there ;)

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