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Setting up a colony on another world.

GrandLunar2007

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Report this Sep. 15 2009, 8:54 am

Do you mean what we would do to colonize that world?

First, I'd have my ship's living section be an inflated structure in the shape of a torus. The walls would be filled with water, which would would be used for both drinking and as a shield against particle radiation.
A magnetic shield, similar to what's being tested now, would suppliment this.


The torus would be made to spin on it's axis, to prevent atrophy from lack of gravity.
The ship would have atmospheric and water reclaimation systems, like the ISS is experimenting with.
A hydroponic garden would be a must.

Now, if I had a choice of propulsion, I'd at least want a nuclear pulse drive.
Estimated max speed is close to 15% light speed, for a 2 year acceleration.

That, or an Orion type drive, that uses a giant shock absorber and nuclear bombs for propulsion.

I'd be darn sure I'd find an Earth type planet ahead of time.

The crew wouldn't all sleep at once. It'd be an on-off schedule for each group, as too long a sleep can still result in atrophy.

I'd have multiple landers for arrival. One would be for the crew, the rest for supplies.

Beyond that, anything goes.


BTW, I wouldn't give any attention to that "2012" end of the world garbage.
It's no different that previous end of the world preaching.

GrandLunar2007

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Report this Sep. 16 2009, 10:07 am

Never trust a squid. ;)

The crew of the ship would be the colonists.
I envision a torus with a diameter of at least 300 feet and an internal diameter of 40 feet.
That should provide enough room for a couple dozen people to live comfortablely in.

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Report this Sep. 16 2009, 7:20 pm

The hell with colonizatiion. I'd sneek onto a populated world and use their stuff.

Assuming I could fittle and change my appearance.

GrandLunar2007

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Report this Sep. 18 2009, 10:48 am

Quote (ZeroArmour @ Sep. 18 2009, 3:33 am)
This is strange, rather than talk about the question of colonist selection, you focus on technology and design...

Why?

I'm not sure what you mean by the colonist section.

Do you mean the place where the colonists will travel on the ship?

Or do you mean the arrival on the planet and colonizing it?

4_of_20

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Report this Sep. 18 2009, 5:43 pm

Why? Good question...

What's killing humanity? Drugs, guns, AIDS, hunger, pollution, war? Maybe, but not fast enough. What's killing humanity most likely is humanity. We breed faster than we die. Ironically in starving African countries where death is constant, we breed even faster. Estimates have 1000 trillion people on the planet by the year 3000...

There's three solutions I can think of:

1. More violence and war - Legalize murder and kill whoever for whatever. Kill dryson after his next stupid post. Kill you boss, teachers, parents, whatever. I'm sure most of you aren't liking the sound of this solution...

2. Reverse quantities of homosexuals and heterosexuals - homosexuals don't breed, and as for now are a minority. Reversal of this rate would lead to less births, less population growth. Though I'm sure the conservatives would have a problem with this.

3. Colonize new worlds - Evacuate the majority of the population into different directions in space, with new worlds set to be colonized. This is preferable to the other two option but is very costly, as yet the technology is unavailable, and the population may be already beyond the point of being able to evacuate enough to save Earth, merely preserve humanity, and whatever other remnants of Earth we take along.

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Report this Sep. 18 2009, 6:03 pm

I would have multi-taskers doing specific jobs where they could perform another task when needed.

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Report this Sep. 20 2009, 9:35 pm

Quote (ZeroArmour @ Sep. 18 2009, 4:55 am)
I mean, how will you select your colonists?

Will you just put an ad in the paper?

How about a couple guys decide to go and just do it?

Like climbing a mountain because it's there.

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Report this Sep. 20 2009, 9:44 pm

Quote (4_of_20 @ Sep. 17 2009, 6:43 pm)
What's killing humanity?

A bunch of little Hitlers.

Abortionists and every tinhorn dictator in the world.

GrandLunar2007

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Report this Sep. 21 2009, 7:46 am

Quote (ZeroArmour @ Sep. 19 2009, 3:55 am)
Quote (GrandLunar2007 @ Sep. 18 2009, 10:48 am)
Quote (ZeroArmour @ Sep. 18 2009, 3:33 am)
This is strange, rather than talk about the question of colonist selection, you focus on technology and design...

Why?

I'm not sure what you mean by the colonist section.

Do you mean the place where the colonists will travel on the ship?

Or do you mean the arrival on the planet and colonizing it?

I mean, how will you select your colonists?

Will you just put an ad in the paper?

Okay, that's what you meant.

The majority would be biologists and people skilled in agriculture, since food will need to be grown when they arrive.

The best teachers would go too.

I would try for a 50/50 mix of male and female, to ensure a healthy population would follow.

I suppose an application process would be needed.
People other than myself would assess them.
And there would be medical screening.

In all, it would be like what NASA does to select it's astronauts, I suppose.

4_of_20

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Report this Sep. 22 2009, 4:46 am

Selecting colonists would depend on the method of travel.

A slow space arc vessel that might take many millennia to reach a near by star may just be done with an ad in the paper, plus a comparatively small group of people who run and maintain the arc. But over the years a new society would form within and the original crew selection would hardly matter.

However a fast ship (relativistic/ftl) may have a small, very selective crew, of 50/50 male female (stated above), who are willing to breed with one another.

GrandLunar2007

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Report this Sep. 22 2009, 7:59 am

Quote (ZeroArmour @ Sep. 22 2009, 4:05 am)
If you are looking at reproduction, does that mean you'd have a "no Gays" policy?

NASA astronauts (flight crew) are university educated military men (to date no women have filled this role). They usually have a degree in physics, matematics, or engineering.

First off, haven't you heard of Eileen Collins?
She commanded the shuttle.
And then there's this (my italics):
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After graduating from Elmira Free Academy in 1974, Collins attended Corning Community College where she earned an associate degree in mathematics/science in 1976. She graduated from Syracuse University in 1978 and then earned a master of science degree in operations research from Stanford University in 1986 and a master of arts degree in space systems management from Webster University in 1989. Collins attended the U.S. Air Force Test Pilot School and graduated with class 89B.


So that would seem to contradict your statement about the flight crew.

What I meant by NASA screening is for physicals.
You know, checking health and other factors.

And yes, it would a "no gays" crew.
It's a matter of reproduction. Pure affection can come later.

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Report this Sep. 23 2009, 1:05 am

Quote (GrandLunar2007 @ Sep. 14 2009, 9:54 am)
Do you mean what we would do to colonize that world?

First, I'd have my ship's living section be an inflated structure in the shape of a torus. The walls would be filled with water, which would would be used for both drinking and as a shield against particle radiation. A magnetic shield, similar to what's being tested now, would suppliment this.

The torus would be made to spin on it's axis, to prevent atrophy from lack of gravity. The ship would have atmospheric and water reclaimation systems, like the ISS is experimenting with. A hydroponic garden would be a must.

Now, if I had a choice of propulsion, I'd at least want a nuclear pulse drive. Estimated max speed is close to 15% light speed, for a 2 year acceleration.

That, or an Orion type drive, that uses a giant shock absorber and nuclear bombs for propulsion.

I'd be darn sure I'd find an Earth type planet ahead of time.


Actually, astronomers have discovered an Earth-like planet two years ago. The new planet has a mass five times that of Earth and the best part is that its only 20 light-years away. This could be the answer to such issues like overpopulation and global warming.

See link:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/science....th.html

Quote (GrandLunar2007 @ Sep. 14 2009, 9:54 am)
The crew wouldn't all sleep at once. It'd be an on-off schedule for each group, as too long a sleep can still result in atrophy.

I'd have multiple landers for arrival. One would be for the crew, the rest for supplies.

Beyond that, anything goes.

BTW, I wouldn't give any attention to that "2012" end of the world garbage. It's no different that previous end of the world preaching.


I agree with everything you said. I would like to add something to the list. It is vital that a huge asteroid should be mounted on the front section of the ship because this will protect it from space dust and debris. It may not exactly resemble the navigational deflector dish on the Enterprise, but its just as effective. ;) And I would also employ suspended animation chambers.

4_of_20

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Report this Sep. 23 2009, 1:39 am

You can be gay. Just as long as you put it aside every now and again to breed... or at least donate sperm.

GrandLunar2007

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Report this Sep. 23 2009, 7:51 am

This statement:

:)

There's something else to keep in mind; we may not need to go to another planet.
We can make artificial worlds, using asteroids as the raw material.

Ever hear of an L-5 colony?
That would be a good start.

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Report this Sep. 23 2009, 9:29 pm

Quote (ZeroArmour @ Sep. 21 2009, 5:07 am)
Quote (blankenship @ Sep. 20 2009, 9:35 pm)
Quote (ZeroArmour @ Sep. 18 2009, 4:55 am)
I mean, how will you select your colonists?

Will you just put an ad in the paper?

How about a couple guys decide to go and just do it?

Like climbing a mountain because it's there.

A "couple of guys" will not make a biologically viable colony.

They don't want a colony. They just want to climb that mountain.

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