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Twilight

Commander_Zelkar

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Report this Sep. 08 2009, 8:14 am

I watched Twilight again over the weekend, and realized it's one of the more gruesome ENT episodes.

What really got me was the scene where the Xindi blow up the bridge of Enterprise, and you can see the bodies fly into space.

:whatthe:

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Report this Sep. 08 2009, 8:17 am

I think you can also see a similar scene in Azati Prime.

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Report this Sep. 08 2009, 12:51 pm

You see the future crew die, also. You see T'Pol then Archer fall down dead on top of her in Engineering.

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Report this Sep. 08 2009, 2:28 pm

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I believe that was Damage...

Azati Prime, 39:40 (time on my avi file, may be slightly different on DVD)

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Report this Sep. 08 2009, 3:36 pm

Twilight is one of my favorite episodes. It's incredibly interesting seeing Archer and T'Pol in a very different scenario, but the deep respect and friendship (and who knows what else) is there and maybe even stronger.

I didn't think of it as gruesome (though I guess you could), but I thought it was exciting.

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Report this Sep. 08 2009, 6:08 pm

I'll hafta pay closer attention to the gruesome-ness in Twilight and Azati Prime! Bodies flying...

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Report this Sep. 08 2009, 6:18 pm

Was not one of my favorites, I just really do not like the reset type episodes. ¿Plus the whole TPol/Archer paring idea always caused a bit of cringe in me. ¿But we all have what we like and dislike.

When I first watched it and they showed Earth going up in flames I pretty much knew right away they where going down a alternate timeline episode.

I really did not consider it that gruesome; we see something similar in a later episode and by today?s standards for TV it is fairly tame.

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Report this Sep. 08 2009, 8:12 pm

The Archer/T'Pol relationship works because it is so open to interpretation. I do not like them as a couple, but its supposed to be a "wrong" timeline. That's one of many wrongs. There's also the matter of everyone dying.

I think the violence in it is appropriate - the whole episode functions to show just how high the stakes in the Expanse are.

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Report this Sep. 09 2009, 4:23 am

> id="QUOTE"> border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (ENT567 @ Sep. 08 2009 @ 2:28 pm)> id="QUOTE">:laugh: OK, I give....
border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (Yanks @ Posted: Sep. 08 2009, 3:31 pm)

;) :D

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Report this Sep. 09 2009, 5:06 am

Quote (Dbear1 @ Posted: Sep. 08 2009, 6:18 pm)
Was not one of my favorites, I just really do not like the reset type episodes. Plus the whole TPol/Archer paring idea always caused a bit of cringe in me. But we all have what we like and dislike.

Yes, that's an interesting thing I've noticed about viewers attitude. Some have no problem with "resets", while some may totally reject that type of story.

I'm among those who like resets. That kind of predictability sits well with me, as long as the events leading to the final reset are engrossing, like in Twilight. I know the story won't end up badly, because everything is fine in the next episode, but I have no feeling as if I'm "deceived" or anything -- that's the case I'm willingly suspending my disbelief, becasue everything in the story is rational enough. But I like to know that the normal timeline is going to be restored, because otherwise things start to lose sense and logic.
(I guess that's why I would like STXII or STXIII to get things back to normal again)

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Report this Sep. 09 2009, 8:53 am

I'm trying to remember what I thought the first time I saw Twilight. I knew, as you wrote, that all would have to be fine in the end because the next episode would have the same crew on the same mission. I don't remember how I thought it would resolve. By that I mean, I think I was so into the story that I didn't think about resets, but I just flowed with it until it's conclusion.

That reminds me - I like the way Enterprise starts some episodes in the middle of the story and then comes back to the beginning after the opening credits.

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Report this Sep. 09 2009, 1:16 pm

Quote (Commander_Zelkar @ Sep. 08 2009, 8:14 am)
What really got me was the scene where the Xindi blow up the bridge of Enterprise, and you can see the bodies fly into space.

I believe we also saw that scenario in "Azati Prime" with three crew members being sucked out into space. Look closley you can see it here:



As far as the rest of the episode goes...no comment. (If you know me, you knew I would say that)

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Report this Sep. 09 2009, 6:10 pm

Haven't seen Twilight in some time, but, if my memory serves, the human settlement is on Ceti Alpha V? So can we assume humanity would've ended up on a desolate world like Khan did? Had the Xindi not found them of course.

Beautiful shot of Earth blowing up. Must rate as one of the best teasers.

Never liked the shot of the NX-01 blowing up though. Just did'nt look right, IMO.

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Report this Sep. 09 2009, 6:16 pm

You are right. The irony is that the humans were doomed not matter what in this timeline, as we know from WOK.

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Report this Sep. 11 2009, 7:07 pm

Honeybee that is a very good point. There is the saying "darned if you do darned if you don't." They also show this when the Sphere Builders are saying that many of the time lines show destruction by Humans so they are also acting in such a manner. This is a good device in science fiction and was also used in Butterfly Effect!

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