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TrekFan1701E

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Report this Sep. 06 2009, 3:24 pm

I just finished reading the Destiny Trilogy and Voyager Full Circle books. I was just wondering is that how the TNG Era would have flowed if it had continued on TV? I thought they were good.

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Report this Sep. 06 2009, 4:16 pm

One thing I do love about the post-Nemesis TNG books is that B4 is in the Daystrom Institute. If ST XI had been a TNG movie, B4 would've turned into Data. Whereas in the books, it feels more lifelike, I like to think of it as a finality to death. No one dies in sci-fi anymore. Data has stayed dead.

And yes. I am singing LALALALALALALALALALALALALA very loudly, and pretending some aspects of Star Trek: Countdown never happened. :laugh:

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Report this Sep. 07 2009, 10:22 am

Quote (sonofspock1 @ Sep. 06 2009, 3:16 pm)
No one dies in sci-fi anymore.

You're absolutely right. It's not as if Picard buried Kirk or anything.

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Report this Sep. 07 2009, 3:58 pm

Quote (Legate_James_T_Shatner @ Sep. 07 2009, 3:22 pm)
Quote (sonofspock1 @ Sep. 06 2009, 3:16 pm)
No one dies in sci-fi anymore.

You're absolutely right. It's not as if Picard buried Kirk or anything.

I was refering to more then just ST. The Stargate people are terrible at bringing people back from the afterlife, in some form or another.

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Report this Sep. 08 2009, 4:28 am

Quote (sonofspock1 @ Sep. 07 2009, 1:16 am)
One thing I do love about the post-Nemesis TNG books is that B4 is in the Daystrom Institute. If ST XI had been a TNG movie, B4 would've turned into Data. Whereas in the books, it feels more lifelike, I like to think of it as a finality to death. No one dies in sci-fi anymore. Data has stayed dead.

And yes. I am singing LALALALALALALALALALALALALA very loudly, and pretending some aspects of Star Trek: Countdown never happened. :laugh:

Agreed. I give them credit for not letting Data return, unlike the uninspired work Orci and Kurtzmann delivered with "Countdown", which I also pretend never actually happened.

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Report this Sep. 10 2009, 2:16 am

The post TNG and Voyager books are nothing but a big dissapointment, filled with character destruction.

As for Data, I'm not gonna read any TNG books as long as Data isn't in them. A TNG book without Data or any other main character is no real TNG book.

As for Janeway, I will not read any Voyager book until Janeway is brought back. A Voyager book without Janeway and other main characters isn't a real Voyager book.

As for Stargate, I wasn't that impressed with that series when I first watched it. But I've begin to appreciate it more in recent years. It's not so much character destruction in that series.

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Report this Sep. 10 2009, 9:09 am

Only because they killed Janeway? Oh come on... that death was what TREK needed... now everything might happen. End of the formula "restore the setting at the end".

The bis stories (Borg Invasion, Typhon Pact) are extremely well thought through. We have a lot of themes in them, and yet the characters get their fair share.

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Report this Sep. 10 2009, 12:13 pm

Quote (sonofspock1 @ Sep. 06 2009, 4:16 pm)
One thing I do love about the post-Nemesis TNG books is that B4 is in the Daystrom Institute. If ST XI had been a TNG movie, B4 would've turned into Data. Whereas in the books, it feels more lifelike, I like to think of it as a finality to death. No one dies in sci-fi anymore. Data has stayed dead.

And yes. I am singing LALALALALALALALALALALALALA very loudly, and pretending some aspects of Star Trek: Countdown never happened. :laugh:

I'm confused, do the books and comics not follow the same canon?

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Report this Sep. 10 2009, 3:22 pm

Quote (Captain_Storma @ Sep. 09 2009, 10:09 am)
Only because they killed Janeway? Oh come on... that death was what TREK needed... now everything might happen. End of the formula "restore the setting at the end".

The bis stories (Borg Invasion, Typhon Pact) are extremely well thought through. We have a lot of themes in them, and yet the characters get their fair share.

No, it was not what Trek needed. Why kill off the main character of Voyager? Why ruin all possibilities for future stories about that character.

If there's character annihilation you want, then why not kill off Picard, Riker, Sisko and all of them and replace them with new characters.

Personally I want nothing to do with "Death Trek".

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Report this Sep. 10 2009, 3:24 pm

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I'm confused, do the books and comics not follow the same canon?


The books and comics (and video games, etc.) are obliged to remain consistent with the on-screen material ("canon"). If they get "overwritten" by a film or episode that comes later, that's just the way it goes.

On the other hand, books and comics (and games, etc.) are not obliged to remain consistent with each other. There are occasional partnerships/etc., but at the end of the day, the individual licensee (book or comic publisher, game developer, etc.) has to be able to do what they think is best for their particular product line as it relates to the Trek property. Sometimes, that means striking out in their own direction, rather than trying to stay in step with other licensees.

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Report this Sep. 10 2009, 3:49 pm

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I'm confused, do the books and comics not follow the same canon?


The books and comics (and video games, etc.) are obliged to remain consistent with the on-screen material ("canon"). If they get "overwritten" by a film or episode that comes later, that's just the way it goes.

On the other hand, books and comics (and games, etc.) are not obliged to remain consistent with each other. There are occasional partnerships/etc., but at the end of the day, the individual licensee (book or comic publisher, game developer, etc.) has to be able to do what they think is best for their particular product line as it relates to the Trek property. Sometimes, that means striking out in their own direction, rather than trying to stay in step with other licensees.

I see, that's fair enough. I just assumed they were all in line with each other.

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Report this Sep. 10 2009, 8:52 pm

Quote (Captain_Storma @ Sep. 10 2009, 2:09 pm)
Only because they killed Janeway? Oh come on... that death was what TREK needed... now everything might happen. End of the formula "restore the setting at the end".

The bis stories (Borg Invasion, Typhon Pact) are extremely well thought through. We have a lot of themes in them, and yet the characters get their fair share.

I've watched ST in all it's variations, and I think it was an interesting direction to go in "killing" Janeway. I'm not "Yaaaay, Janeway's dead!" or "Aww, Janeway's dead". I'm kinda neutral about it I suppose. It was a hard period in the books, those Borg Invasion months, and it would've been, I personally think, cliched, if nothing major happened to the "on-screen" cast.

People could've gone "massive invasion, and Picard and Janeway still safe, and sipping on Earl Grey and coffee, what a surprise". But no. The Pocket Books ST team have done a great service to the crews by "killing" Janeway. Makes it that little bit more real.

And I still think Janeway will be back. It was left wide open at the end of Before Dishonour.

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Report this Sep. 11 2009, 2:56 pm

Quote (Lynx677 @ Sep. 11 2009, 12:22 am)
Quote (Captain_Storma @ Sep. 09 2009, 10:09 am)
Only because they killed Janeway? Oh come on... that death was what TREK needed... now everything might happen. End of the formula "restore the setting at the end".

The bis stories (Borg Invasion, Typhon Pact) are extremely well thought through. We have a lot of themes in them, and yet the characters get their fair share.

No, it was not what Trek needed. Why kill off the main character of Voyager? Why ruin all possibilities for future stories about that character.

If there's character annihilation you want, then why not kill off Picard, Riker, Sisko and all of them and replace them with new characters.

Personally I want nothing to do with "Death Trek".

If it is done right, they should IMO feel free to kill them all.

Btw. Janeway is not dead. She went with Lady Q, and I guarantee we will see (or better read) a return in the future.

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Report this Sep. 11 2009, 2:57 pm

Quote (sonofspock1 @ Sep. 11 2009, 5:52 am)
Quote (Captain_Storma @ Sep. 10 2009, 2:09 pm)
Only because they killed Janeway? Oh come on... that death was what TREK needed... now everything might happen. End of the formula "restore the setting at the end".

The bis stories (Borg Invasion, Typhon Pact) are extremely well thought through. We have a lot of themes in them, and yet the characters get their fair share.

I've watched ST in all it's variations, and I think it was an interesting direction to go in "killing" Janeway. I'm not "Yaaaay, Janeway's dead!" or "Aww, Janeway's dead". I'm kinda neutral about it I suppose. It was a hard period in the books, those Borg Invasion months, and it would've been, I personally think, cliched, if nothing major happened to the "on-screen" cast.

People could've gone "massive invasion, and Picard and Janeway still safe, and sipping on Earl Grey and coffee, what a surprise". But no. The Pocket Books ST team have done a great service to the crews by "killing" Janeway. Makes it that little bit more real.

And I still think Janeway will be back. It was left wide open at the end of Before Dishonour.

Not only that. They also killed B'Elanna and her daughter (they were on the list in "Singular Destiny"). That really adds realism to it.

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Report this Sep. 11 2009, 4:59 pm

^^
Yeah right, kill off all our favorites and close down the whole thing.

Why bother to have favorites and why bother to like a TV show or a book series? Let's destroy it and make it dark and moody, just like our daily lives in the "paradise".

Why bother to have interests at all?

After all, we're living in the Dark Ages with starvation, poverty, unemployment, wars, exploitation and diseases. Now here we have lots of stuff for good stories and realism, haven't we?

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