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I know this isn't exactly Enterprise...

ThankYouGeneR

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Report this Sep. 17 2009, 1:56 pm

Quote (Narada @ Sep. 05 2009, 2:44 pm)
I am a fan of both Berman and Abrams and all the other creators for Star Trek. I can understand why they have certain attitudes and I do not blame their perspective. I feel they are both honest and intelligent while performing a most difficult balancing act.

Brilliant. At times I am dismayed by the staggering lack of knowledge regarding the hundreds of compromises and fiscal decisions in play, from dream to finish, for each episode, series, or movie made.

Narada

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Report this Sep. 17 2009, 2:14 pm

Thanks ThankYouGeneR you are describing exactly how I feel. There is much that goes into making a movie and many compromises must be made along the way. If the movie is a success in the end it is a great accomplishment and difficult to achieve.

:cool:  :logical:

Vice_Adm_Baxter

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Report this Sep. 17 2009, 2:32 pm

Quote (trekbuff @ Sep. 17 2009, 11:22 am)

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I have yet to figure out what happened to T'Pring.


Hopefully they will cover this in TREK XII.

Narada

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Report this Sep. 17 2009, 2:34 pm

Yes Vice Admiral Baxter very true. They have a ready made love drama to use at any time if they are in need.

Narada

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Report this Sep. 17 2009, 2:43 pm

Yes well I did not mean for the mud wrestling but I do see the potential for a love drama.

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Report this Sep. 17 2009, 3:21 pm

Quote (starbase63 @ Sep. 17 2009, 11:36 am)
Quote (Narada @ Sep. 17 2009, 2:34 pm)
Yes Vice Admiral Baxter very true. They have a ready made love drama to use at any time if they are in need.

With the target audience Abrams is trying to reach? It won't be koon-ut kali-fee between Kirk and Spock...

It'll be a knock down drag out mud wrestling match between T'Pring and Uhura...

:eyesroll:

:logical:

I wouldn't be so quick to judge if I were you.

After all we were wrong about TREK XI not being able to get fans into TOS and the rest of TREK.

:logical:

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Report this Sep. 18 2009, 7:48 am

Quote (trekbuff @ Posted: Sep. 17 2009, 2:22 pm)
Among the many points of conjecture, one commonality between DS9 and VOY were arcs. Their ratings gradually declined.
After every TCW episode, the ratings of Enterprise dropped.
B&B gave existing fans enough to hang the series and, as was shown, shot the other foot with the Xindi arc and its many deviations from historical Trek and walking a fine canon line.
Blaming existing Trek fans for the cancellation of Enterprise because they didn't like the product and didn't watch is total nonsense.
We were not talking about blaming fans for the cancellation. We were talking about whose fault it was that some of them didn't care to watch the other Trek series and then accused ENT bcz of the TMP Klingon. It's totally THEIR fault they didn't know Trek though they called themselves Trek fans.

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We both can site a myriad of reasons folks gave for not watching the series, but the fact remains, the majority of complaints concerned the TCW, the Xindi arc and Trek weaponry. All of these primary topics of complaint were simply unnecessary.
Right, totally unnecessary - because they are related to the formal elements which are secondary, while the primary elements of their concern should have been the artistic qualities of the show.

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There were enough folks watching Enterprise at the end of the first half of season one that if they would have stayed with the series it wouldn't have been cancelled. But, it was Cold Front - a TCW episode, and another half million didn't tune in for.
That's another "mystery" for me, becasue I was very excited when I first watched that episode and of course I was eager to see teh continuation. I understand the reasons you state behind that fans interest drop phenomenon, but I guess I'm a different type viewer than those fans. I understand their reasoning but I don't accept it because I don't find it reasonable (my logic works differently from theirs).

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STXI? I hardly liked a single thing Abrams did and I'm a solid ST(TOS) fan. I didn't like the destruction of Vulcan or the death of Spock's mother. I have yet to figure out what happened to T'Pring.
I can't say I was appalled by those things, since I'm not a solid TOS fan, but I guess I expected STXI to be a more traditionally historical prequel to TOS - becasue they use the concrete TOS characters.

RedShirtGuyNumber1001

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Report this Sep. 19 2009, 12:50 am

maybe in the alternate time line T'Pring never met Spock?

RedShirtGuyNumber1001

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Report this Sep. 19 2009, 12:53 am

Quote (ThankYouGeneR @ Sep. 17 2009, 1:56 pm)
Quote (Narada @ Sep. 05 2009, 2:44 pm)
I am a fan of both Berman and Abrams and all the other creators for Star Trek. I can understand why they have certain attitudes and I do not blame their perspective. I feel they are both honest and intelligent while performing a most difficult balancing act.

Brilliant. At times I am dismayed by the staggering lack of knowledge regarding the hundreds of compromises and fiscal decisions in play, from dream to finish, for each episode, series, or movie made.

That is fine, but what people have a problem with is when 1 person begins to claim that they alone are star trek.  I think that is arrogant.

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Report this Sep. 19 2009, 6:38 pm

Quote (RedShirtGuyNumber1001 @ Sep. 19 2009, 12:53 am)
Quote (ThankYouGeneR @ Sep. 17 2009, 1:56 pm)
Quote (Narada @ Sep. 05 2009, 2:44 pm)
I am a fan of both Berman and Abrams and all the other creators for Star Trek. I can understand why they have certain attitudes and I do not blame their perspective. I feel they are both honest and intelligent while performing a most difficult balancing act.

Brilliant. At times I am dismayed by the staggering lack of knowledge regarding the hundreds of compromises and fiscal decisions in play, from dream to finish, for each episode, series, or movie made.

That is fine, but what people have a problem with is when 1 person begins to claim that they alone are star trek. ¿I think that is arrogant.

I certainly agree with that.

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