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What makes TOS hard for people to like

GreenDragon527

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Report this Sep. 20 2009, 11:44 pm

Quote (love_those_spacemen @ Sep. 20 2009, 3:23 pm)
Quote (ZarabethS179 @ Sep. 19 2009, 10:37 pm)
I don't disagree with the portrayal of sex appeal, either. I enjoy a shirtless Spock as well as any other female with a pulse. I simply don't believe a character should be portrayed as having nothing but sex appeal. And unfortunately, women are often portrayed as nothing more than a set of boobs.

Cool Venus figurine. I wonder how awe and respect turned into shallow objectification.

Well, awe of power can easily become envy, suspicion, intimidation, angst, insecurity and even hate. Depending on social atmospheres, individual character and rearing, healthy attitudes become diluted with (and deluded by) unhealthy ones.

Portrayals of idealism in many physical forms has been around for thousands of years. Humans are wired to procreate, and if men wish to idolize women for their magical sexual powers, fine. Men like udders because they feed their offspring... big deal. Choosing to portray one facet doesn't mean they're not aware of other, more personable ones. Most men I know don't go for shallow, fake women anyway.

What I'm saying is there's no reason to be angry or sad about it-- big boys know the difference.

:)

Indeed well said lts! Btw how have u been? been a while since i seen u around the boards

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Report this Sep. 21 2009, 2:20 pm

Quote (ZarabethS179 @ Sep. 20 2009, 10:04 am)
Quote (love_those_spacemen @ Sep. 20 2009, 12:23 pm)
What I'm saying is there's no reason to be angry or sad about it-- big boys know the difference.

:)

I guess you're right. One of the many reasons I prefer much older men (my bf is 13 yrs my senior--and not the oldest I've dated).

We have a lot in common! :D

When I was in my early 20s I dated an artist in NYC (I'm in SoCal) who was in his early 40s. My current, though, is 6 years my junior. In my case, I couldn't associate age with maturity though. Beware of those silver foxes!

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Report this Sep. 21 2009, 2:21 pm

Quote (RedShirtGuyNumber1001 @ Sep. 20 2009, 8:03 pm)
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Quote (RedShirtGuyNumber1001 @ Sep. 18 2009, 9:23 pm)
cough cough bs cough

Is it really BS for a man to say that intelligence is more important than looks?

honestly i think we say those things if we don't have what it takes to get the really hot girl from covergirl magazine, while we convince ourselves an avg looking person with brains is what we want [because we are avg ourselves] we still secretly want [fill in your hot dream girl here].

So.... how old are you? :D

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Report this Sep. 21 2009, 2:23 pm

Quote (GreenDragon527 @ Sep. 20 2009, 8:44 pm)
Indeed well said lts! Btw how have u been? been a while since i seen u around the boards

What time it is, GD :D

Been fine. And quite posty lately, but it'll wane... gotta get back into working regularly now that the house renos are finished. How you been?

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Report this Sep. 21 2009, 4:32 pm

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Quote (Valdena @ Sep. 18 2009, 4:21 pm)
I read this post, and felt I wanted to comment on it.

First of all welcome to the boards. :-)

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I know that is sooo cliche', but it is true. Many happy people are not a size '2' with model figures. Being beautiful doesn't bring you happiness necessarily. If people judge you on your looks, then that is shallow...and you don't need false friends like that.

And as far as the comment on having a 'wrecked' metabolism, have you seen a doctor about this? There are many board certified bariatric physicians trained to treat this issue, and help you lose weight safely. I don't mean to lose weight for superficial reasons. For health reasons mainly.
You sounded sad, if I am interpreting you wrong...I appologize. I was just trying to offer words of support. ?:)

I actually have visited doctors regularly for the past two years (since I entered recovery), so I'm being cared for, physically and mentally (and believe me, I need a LOT of care mentally! LOL!;). But thank you for your concern :)

It isn't so much how the women are dressed that bothers me--the men are often scantily clad as well. It is the way they are treated, and the way they are remembered.

How is Spock remembered? As an intelligent, proud, half-vulcan and the best first-officer in the fleet.

How is Kirk remembered? As a strong, compassionate, dynamic starfleet captain.

How is Rand remembered? As a nice piece of ass the captain can't have. This is how most of the women in the series are regarded (though admittedly, not all).

It is true that there is some objectification of men in our culture, particularly in recent years. However, rather than using further objectification to "level the playing field" I think it would be better to have less objectification overall.

Power and sex are so closely connected in our culture, and the anthropologist in me wonders why. Is it the taboo nature of sex in our society, or is it something else?

Thank you for your reponse, I am glad you are doing better.

Any consolation that I do not regard Rand as just a piece of a$$ the captain couldn't have? hehehe  :laugh:

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Report this Sep. 21 2009, 8:24 pm

Quote (love_those_spacemen @ Sep. 21 2009, 5:23 pm)
Quote (GreenDragon527 @ Sep. 20 2009, 8:44 pm)
Indeed well said lts! Btw how have u been? been a while since i seen u around the boards

What time it is, GD :D

Been fine. And quite posty lately, but it'll wane... gotta get back into working regularly now that the house renos are finished. How you been?

Im good runnin around finishin final yr in uni yay! Since they implemented free tertiary ed. tho more and more ppl comin in eveyr yr ...they finally overstepped themselves and took in too many ppl, now if i reach at 10 i find all the student car parks full x_x

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Report this Sep. 21 2009, 9:27 pm

Quote (Valdena @ Sep. 21 2009, 4:32 pm)
Thank you for your reponse, I am glad you are doing better.

Any consolation that I do not regard Rand as just a piece of a$$ the captain couldn't have? hehehe ¿:laugh:

They could have done more with her. I know they had planned on having a friendship between Spock and Rand, but it didn't pan out cuz she was only available a short time. Unfortunate.

Though I was watching "Who Mourns for Adonais?" recently (not one of my faves, so I don't watch it that often) and noticed that they really portray Uhura well! When she's fixing the comm console, they really make her seem efficient and intelligent.

In fact, the entire ep really wasn't that bad. Don't know why I didn't like it.

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Report this Sep. 22 2009, 11:05 am

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>>Credit where credit is due. A perfect match between Shatner, Nimoy and Kelley is what made Star Trek and there's no real defense to say otherwise. Nimoy and Hunter didn't do it. Jack Lord and Kirk Douglas would have played the role far 'straighter' and without the 'twinkle' and anyone who knows anything knows that that 'twinkle' (that all three had together) is the 'lightning in a bottle' that made all the difference to Star Trek standing head and shoulders over everything else.<<

Can you imagine, Kirk playing Kirk?

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Report this Sep. 22 2009, 11:20 am

Quote (Vice_Adm_Baxter @ Sep. 01 2009, 10:32 pm)
>>Jeffery Hunter was the first choice for Kirk. Hunter only turned down the role because his agent thought it would be a bad career move for him.<<

Umm, had Jeffrey Hunter had stayed, there would be no "Kirk". Pike would still be in command. Roddenberry created Kirk because he did not want a Dick York/Dick Sargent Situation with The Captain.

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Report this Sep. 23 2009, 5:02 am

Quote (GreenDragon527 @ Sep. 21 2009, 5:24 pm)
Im good runnin around finishin final yr in uni yay! Since they implemented free tertiary ed. tho more and more ppl comin in eveyr yr ...they finally overstepped themselves and took in too many ppl, now if i reach at 10 i find all the student car parks full x_x

Congrats! :D Do you have a graduation date set yet?

When my college's Swiss campus closed, many of its students came here. They were parking cars on the lawn until the attendance leveled out.

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Report this Sep. 24 2009, 8:37 am

well I am just the REVERSE. I am put off by the newer Star Trek Versions. I never liked Deep Space 9, Entereprise, Etc..THE ONLY STAR TREK TV SHOW for me is TOS!!

As for the movies...Of course the TOS Cast of 6 movies is the best, BUT I did enjoy all the Generations Movies! AND I really liked the new STAR TREK Movie except for the Spock/Uhura Thing..

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Report this Sep. 24 2009, 4:42 pm

I love TOS. It was my favorite show until Enterprise, though the TOS cast movies are my favorite of the ST movie series.

I think some of the reasons that new/young viewers might not like TOS are:

+ The FX and the planet sets - Because of budget constraints of TV, the sets were really basic. The FX were from the 60s and young viewers are used to modern FX. That makes TOS' FX seem cheesy.

+ The mid 60s viewpoint concerning women - Starfleet personnel and officers wearing miniskirts and big hair. Female crew and guests being relegated to bringing Kirk coffee and falling in love. Though Uhura was on the bridge, she didn't really do much until the movies. Majel Barrett not being able to be first officer because she was a woman.

+ The 60's (and Gene Roddenberry's) message. The series often dealt with issues of  the period at the dawn of the Age of Aquarius. Some of those issues are still valid today, but younger viewers might look at the obvious message as hokey.

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Report this Sep. 24 2009, 7:06 pm

Quote (captainkirkrulz @ Sep. 24 2009, 8:37 am)
well I am just the REVERSE. I am put off by the newer Star Trek Versions. I never liked Deep Space 9, Entereprise, Etc..THE ONLY STAR TREK TV SHOW for me is TOS!!

As for the movies...Of course the TOS Cast of 6 movies is the best, BUT I did enjoy all the Generations Movies! AND I really liked the new STAR TREK Movie except for the Spock/Uhura Thing..

*High Fives*

Me, too. I liked TNG well enough, but TOS is my one true love.

The Spock/Uhura thing was difficult for me, also. But upon watching the movie several more times, I've kind of started to warm up to the idea a bit.

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