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"All Good Things" - another temporal mess?

Swagner74

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Report this Aug. 21 2009, 4:50 pm

Can anyone make an argument as to how the story in "All good things" (STTNG finale) makes any sense? Just rewatching it and was thinking how it doesn't make sense at all to have Q responsible for making Picard travel through time to SAVE humanity by stopping the "anti-time" rupture..., it was created BECAUSE he travelled through time. The rupture was started because the future Picard (and all others after this) sent that beam into space. If he never traveled through time, none of it would have ever happened...So really it's as if Q caused the whole mess. Right?

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Report this Aug. 21 2009, 5:02 pm

PARADOX

I suppose Q could have staged the whole thing as a final test :rookie:

Welcome to the boards  :)

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Report this Aug. 21 2009, 5:30 pm

Hi Swagner74. Welcome to the TNG boards. The Q continuum was responsible for the situation, but Q got involved to help Picard.

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Q: The Continuum didn't think you had it in you, Jean-Luc, but I knew you did.
PICARD: Are you saying that it worked? We collapsed the anomaly?
Q: Is that all this meant to you? Just another spatial anomaly? Just another day at the office?
PICARD: Did it work?
Q: Well, you're here, aren't you? You're talking to me, aren't you?
PICARD: What about my crew?
Q: The anomaly. My crew. My ship. I suppose you're worried about your fish, too. Well, if it puts your mind at ease, you've saved humanity once again.
PICARD: Thank you.
Q: For what?
PICARD: You had a hand in helping me get out of this.
Q: I was the one that got you into it. A directive from the Continuum. The part about the helping hand, thought, was my idea.

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Report this Aug. 22 2009, 2:15 am

Quote (Swagner74 @ Aug. 21 2009, 4:50 pm)
Can anyone make an argument as to how the story in "All good things" (STTNG finale) makes any sense? Just rewatching it and was thinking how it doesn't make sense at all to have Q responsible for making Picard travel through time to SAVE humanity by stopping the "anti-time" rupture..., it was created BECAUSE he travelled through time. The rupture was started because the future Picard (and all others after this) sent that beam into space. If he never traveled through time, none of it would have ever happened...So really it's as if Q caused the whole mess. Right?

Q helped Picard by allowing his to experience what was happening in the different timelines and remember it all.

The idea is that those situations may have accrued even with out Q's interference.

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Report this Aug. 22 2009, 2:42 am

it would not have happened without the continuims involvment.. so in a sence q did start the trouble, but helped picard solve it

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Report this Aug. 23 2009, 5:42 pm

Q was responsible for sending Picard through time. But Q never told Picard to send a tachyon beam into the anomaly, that was an action taken by Picard. The entire situation was to see if Picard, and through him humanity, had the capability to broaden his mind and be open to possibilities never considered. That was the real test, the anomaly was what led to it.

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Report this Aug. 24 2009, 12:11 pm

Quote (lostshaker @ Aug. 23 2009, 5:42 pm)
Q was responsible for sending Picard through time. But Q never told Picard to send a tachyon beam into the anomaly, that was an action taken by Picard. The entire situation was to see if Picard, and through him humanity, had the capability to broaden his mind and be open to possibilities never considered. That was the real test, the anomaly was what led to it.

Yes

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Report this Aug. 24 2009, 1:00 pm

it was still all directed by the continuim... q knew picard was gona chuck the beam at the annomily... and then chuck it where it should have been in the future

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Report this Aug. 26 2009, 11:22 am

Quote (Swagner74 @ Aug. 21 2009, 4:50 pm)
Can anyone make an argument as to how the story in "All good things" (STTNG finale) makes any sense? Just rewatching it and was thinking how it doesn't make sense at all to have Q responsible for making Picard travel through time to SAVE humanity by stopping the "anti-time" rupture..., it was created BECAUSE he travelled through time. The rupture was started because the future Picard (and all others after this) sent that beam into space. If he never traveled through time, none of it would have ever happened...So really it's as if Q caused the whole mess. Right?

This episode also implies that Picard and crew never left for the Farpoint Mission, and that the entire TNG series was just a test to impress Q. How absurd!!!

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Report this Aug. 26 2009, 11:42 am

When Data scanned the interior of the anomaly, he detected 3 tachyon beams.  I'm still trying to figure out where the third one came from?

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Report this Aug. 26 2009, 1:19 pm

Quote (vadic @ Aug. 26 2009, 11:22 am)
Quote (Swagner74 @ Aug. 21 2009, 4:50 pm)
Can anyone make an argument as to how the story in "All good things" (STTNG finale) makes any sense? Just rewatching it and was thinking how it doesn't make sense at all to have Q responsible for making Picard travel through time to SAVE humanity by stopping the "anti-time" rupture..., it was created BECAUSE he travelled through time. The rupture was started because the future Picard (and all others after this) sent that beam into space. If he never traveled through time, none of it would have ever happened...So really it's as if Q caused the whole mess. Right?

This episode also implies that Picard and crew never left for the Farpoint Mission, and that the entire TNG series was just a test to impress Q. How absurd!!!

How do you figure that?

This wasn't really a "time travel" episode. I think a lot of people miss that point. This was just another huge, elaborate fantasy created by Q to test Picard and the Enterprise crew.

The "future" and even the "past" that was shown was a possibility, but not a certainty. I believe this ground was all covered at the conclusion of the episode.

When Q says "the trial never ended" he doesn't mean that the entire 7 seasons of Star Trek have been a fantasy...he simply means that the Q have been watching humanity (and particularly Picard) during the mission to determine their level of growth and potential.

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Report this Aug. 26 2009, 1:24 pm

Quote (NuclearWessels @ Aug. 25 2009, 4:42 pm)
When Data scanned the interior of the anomaly, he detected 3 tachyon beams. ¿I'm still trying to figure out where the third one came from?

The third Tachyon beam, which hadn't been engaged yet was travelling backwards in time due to the anti time eruption so although the Enterprise hadn't fired the beam yet it was present in the anomaly.

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Report this Aug. 26 2009, 4:29 pm

Quote (vadic @ Aug. 26 2009, 11:22 am)
Quote (Swagner74 @ Aug. 21 2009, 4:50 pm)
Can anyone make an argument as to how the story in "All good things" (STTNG finale) makes any sense? Just rewatching it and was thinking how it doesn't make sense at all to have Q responsible for making Picard travel through time to SAVE humanity by stopping the "anti-time" rupture..., it was created BECAUSE he travelled through time. The rupture was started because the future Picard (and all others after this) sent that beam into space. If he never traveled through time, none of it would have ever happened...So really it's as if Q caused the whole mess. Right?

This episode also implies that Picard and crew never left for the Farpoint Mission, and that the entire TNG series was just a test to impress Q. How absurd!!!

Actually it didnt "imply" that they never left for the Farpoint mission at all.

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Report this Aug. 26 2009, 4:29 pm

Quote (captbates @ Aug. 26 2009, 1:24 pm)
Quote (NuclearWessels @ Aug. 25 2009, 4:42 pm)
When Data scanned the interior of the anomaly, he detected 3 tachyon beams. ?I'm still trying to figure out where the third one came from?

The third Tachyon beam, which hadn't been engaged yet was travelling backwards in time due to the anti time eruption so although the Enterprise hadn't fired the beam yet it was present in the anomaly.

Exactly.

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Report this Aug. 26 2009, 5:05 pm

Quote (captbates @ Aug. 26 2009, 11:24 am)
Quote (NuclearWessels @ Aug. 25 2009, 4:42 pm)
When Data scanned the interior of the anomaly, he detected 3 tachyon beams. ?I'm still trying to figure out where the third one came from?

The third Tachyon beam, which hadn't been engaged yet was travelling backwards in time due to the anti time eruption so although the Enterprise hadn't fired the beam yet it was present in the anomaly.

I understand that.  But you keep saying that it hadn't been engaged yet.  The third tachyon beam hadn't been engaged at all

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