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Spock Talking to his younger self.

SaturnsRings

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Report this Aug. 17 2009, 8:57 pm

Although overall I do like the scene with Prime Spock speaking to his younger self, I thought that if Prime Spock had a scene with his father instead that would have given him a chance to say the things he wanted to that he never had the chance to.

I think that could have been an emotional moment.

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Report this Aug. 18 2009, 9:47 am

Perhaps the rift that grew between Spock and Sarek in the original timeline can now be avoided. I never liked that. They were two great characters, great minds. It was sad to see father and son grow apart over time, when the opposite should have happened....perhaps even older Spock can meet his younger father, and finally meld minds. I would love to see something like that in the next movie. They don't need to make a huge production out of it, but to see prime Spock seek out the younger Sarek and make peace, that would be worth the ticket price alone.

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Report this Aug. 18 2009, 12:26 pm

Quote (DarthRage @ Aug. 18 2009, 9:47 am)
Perhaps the rift that grew between Spock and Sarek in the original timeline can now be avoided. I never liked that. They were two great characters, great minds. It was sad to see father and son grow apart over time, when the opposite should have happened....perhaps even older Spock can meet his younger father, and finally meld minds. I would love to see something like that in the next movie. They don't need to make a huge production out of it, but to see prime Spock seek out the younger Sarek and make peace, that would be worth the ticket price alone.

This exactly what I was trying to say. :)

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Report this Aug. 18 2009, 4:26 pm

Quote (DarthRage @ Aug. 17 2009, 2:47 pm)
Perhaps the rift that grew between Spock and Sarek in the original timeline can now be avoided. I never liked that. They were two great characters, great minds. It was sad to see father and son grow apart over time, when the opposite should have happened....perhaps even older Spock can meet his younger father, and finally meld minds. I would love to see something like that in the next movie. They don't need to make a huge production out of it, but to see prime Spock seek out the younger Sarek and make peace, that would be worth the ticket price alone.

I agree with SB everything that happened made Spock who he was.
Personalities are forged by the events in our lives, the rift between Spock and Sarek had a huge effect on Spock.



Although not a direct mind meld we did get the impression that Spock was at peace with his father when he melded with Picard at the end of Unification.

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Report this Aug. 18 2009, 8:57 pm

Quote (SaturnsRings @ Aug. 18 2009, 12:26 pm)
Quote (DarthRage @ Aug. 18 2009, 9:47 am)
Perhaps the rift that grew between Spock and Sarek in the original timeline can now be avoided. I never liked that. They were two great characters, great minds. It was sad to see father and son grow apart over time, when the opposite should have happened....perhaps even older Spock can meet his younger father, and finally meld minds. I would love to see something like that in the next movie. They don't need to make a huge production out of it, but to see prime Spock seek out the younger Sarek and make peace, that would be worth the ticket price alone.

This exactly what I was trying to say. :)

I agree with you guys.

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Report this Aug. 20 2009, 1:07 am

I very much like the scenes between Spock Prime and New Spock. I would'nt change anything about it at all. After all its new timeline, leave it as it is.

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Report this Aug. 20 2009, 3:23 pm

Yes I also feel this way. At first I thought maybe it was a good idea for Spock to speak with his father but then I had second thoughts. Prime Spock wants to keep from messing with the time line and speaking to young Spock was already over his line. Also what would Prime Spock say to his father that he did not say already? I feel there was enough closure with Picard and his katra that he would not need to go down this road again for more. I will say this scene could be improved though.

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Report this Aug. 22 2009, 11:49 am

Quote (DarthRage @ Aug. 17 2009, 10:47 am)
Perhaps the rift that grew between Spock and Sarek in the original timeline can now be avoided. I never liked that. They were two great characters, great minds. It was sad to see father and son grow apart over time, when the opposite should have happened....perhaps even older Spock can meet his younger father, and finally meld minds. I would love to see something like that in the next movie. They don't need to make a huge production out of it, but to see prime Spock seek out the younger Sarek and make peace, that would be worth the ticket price alone.

in this new time line, Spock chose Starfleet over the Vulcan Science Academy in part due to the prejudices of the Vulcans toward Amanda's human ancestry.. perhaps there is no rift because this Sarek is more understanding of Spock.. in the prime timeline, we do not know what motivated Spock to chose Starfleet over Vulcan and so the rift was created.

However I thought prime Spock and prime Sarek  made peace in an emotional moment at the end of TVH.. I thought it was well done.. but later in the TNG episode it seemed that was undone..

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Report this Aug. 24 2009, 12:47 pm

Nobody gave any reason before as to why Spock chose Starfleet Academy over the Vulcan Science Academy in the prime timeline. For all we know, it happened exactly the same way we saw in the new film. And Sarek did object to Spock rejecting tradition in the new film. We're not going to see him get angry and yell at Spock. Perhaps part of the estrangement was Sarek always saying marrying Amanda was "logical at the time", as opposed to out of love.

The relationship between the new timeline's Spock and Sarek will be considerably different from now on. I don't see it being terribly dissimilar up to the point Spock left for Starfleet Academy, but now they are brought closer by Amanda's death. Now that Sarek has admitted to Spock that he loved Amanda, there most likely won't be the estrangement that would occur on and off for the remainder of Sarek's life.

That could be a backwards explaination for Spock getting emotional when he recovered Sarek's memories from Picard at the end of "Unification". He found out that Sarek indeed did love Amanda, his mother (even though he had since re-married).

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Report this Sep. 01 2009, 11:27 am

I never liked Sarak, especially when his evil Romulan clone appeared in Turnabout Intruder.  :laugh:

I was ready for a fresh new Sarak who cared for Spock because he was part human, not in spite of.....

Remember when Sybok revealed to Spock what Sarak thought of him at his birth, that was indicative of how Sarak treated Spock throughout his life.

But, now in the the new timeline, Sarak is not afraid to encourage Spock to explore his humanity. How refreshing and gay! ;)

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Report this Sep. 01 2009, 11:33 am

Quote (vadic @ Sep. 01 2009, 11:27 am)
I never liked Sarak, especially when his evil Romulan clone appeared in Turnabout Intruder. ¿:laugh:

I was ready for a fresh new Sarak who cared for Spock because he was part human, not in spite of.....

Remember when Sybok revealed to Spock what Sarak thought of him at his birth, that was indicative of how Sarak treated Spock throughout his life.

But, now in the the new timeline, Sarak is not afraid to encourage Spock to explore his humanity. How refreshing and gay! ;)

I do agree with you. The way Sarek treated his son Spock was never logical to me. The new Sarek does seem like someone I will like much better.

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Report this Sep. 01 2009, 1:24 pm

Quote (SaturnsRings @ Aug. 17 2009, 8:57 pm)
Although overall I do like the scene with Prime Spock speaking to his younger self, I thought that if Prime Spock had a scene with his father instead that would have given him a chance to say the things he wanted to that he never had the chance to.

I think that could have been an emotional moment.

as if talking to his younger self was not bad enough ...

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Report this Sep. 02 2009, 1:51 pm

Quote (starbase63 @ Sep. 02 2009, 12:59 pm)
Quote (vadic @ Sep. 01 2009, 11:27 am)
I never liked Sarak, especially when his evil Romulan clone appeared in Turnabout Intruder. ?:laugh:

I was ready for a fresh new Sarak who cared for Spock because he was part human, not in spite of.....

Remember when Sybok revealed to Spock what Sarak thought of him at his birth, that was indicative of how Sarak treated Spock throughout his life.

But, now in the the new timeline, Sarak is not afraid to encourage Spock to explore his humanity. How refreshing and gay! ;)

Remember, what we saw that Sybok revealed was not 100% accurate...it was a visualization of Spock's inner fear of rejection by his father...for all we (or Spock) really know, Sarek was pleased to see a healthy infant son brought into the world...

:logical:

Lose the human v. Vulcan inner struggle and you lose the whole sense of Spock. But then, these philosophical questions often get in the way of exploding space ships and cheap sentimentality.

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Report this Sep. 02 2009, 6:44 pm

Quote (Anyacat @ Sep. 02 2009, 1:51 pm)
Quote (starbase63 @ Sep. 02 2009, 12:59 pm)
Quote (vadic @ Sep. 01 2009, 11:27 am)
I never liked Sarak, especially when his evil Romulan clone appeared in Turnabout Intruder. ?:laugh:

I was ready for a fresh new Sarak who cared for Spock because he was part human, not in spite of.....

Remember when Sybok revealed to Spock what Sarak thought of him at his birth, that was indicative of how Sarak treated Spock throughout his life.

But, now in the the new timeline, Sarak is not afraid to encourage Spock to explore his humanity. How refreshing and gay! ;)

Remember, what we saw that Sybok revealed was not 100% accurate...it was a visualization of Spock's inner fear of rejection by his father...for all we (or Spock) really know, Sarek was pleased to see a healthy infant son brought into the world...

:logical:

Lose the human v. Vulcan inner struggle and you lose the whole sense of Spock. But then, these philosophical questions often get in the way of exploding space ships and cheap sentimentality.

Good point, but now in the alternate timeline you have two Spocks and one is freer to explore his humanity while the other has embraced the inner conflict as a part of his personality. The old Spock wouldn't be himself if he didn't argue with Sarak. The new Spock won't be himself unless he recieves Sarak's encouragement.

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Report this Sep. 02 2009, 6:48 pm

Quote (Anyacat @ Sep. 01 2009, 1:24 pm)
Quote (SaturnsRings @ Aug. 17 2009, 8:57 pm)
Although overall I do like the scene with Prime Spock speaking to his younger self, I thought that if Prime Spock had a scene with his father instead that would have given him a chance to say the things he wanted to that he never had the chance to.

I think that could have been an emotional moment.

as if talking to his younger self was not bad enough ...

:laugh:  :laugh:  :D

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