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Quote (Splurk @ Aug. 17 2009, 2:32 am) Why does every one like Wolverine the most? His powers are uncreative... Nightcrawler is more fun. Could not agree more. Have always been of the opinion that Wolverine is ridiculously overrated. Used to have great conversations with Toadman (before his account was nuked) about Wolverine and how he really isn't all that interesting.

He's always the focal character and I don't even know why, usually focal characters get the girl and all. Cyclops stole Jean Away.

His personality is also uninteresting, I read these things mainly for the character personalities, hence I like DS9 and Nightcrawler a lot more. Parker's also quite interesting in that in some respects, I like the aspect of Spider-Man that it's not as much his private life conflicting with his task as a super hero, but his super hero life wrecking up his private life. Most series tend to completely disregard the fact that they also have a civilian life.

Most interesting personality in a comic ever of course is still L:



Shame Death Note was meagre otherwise, cat and mouse games are fun, but in Death Note it's just too much of a Xanatos Gambit and you just see too easily that it's unlikely that the other party does exactly what has to be done for it to succeed, it kind of ruins the willing suspension of disbelieve that Light and L. are supposedly both ¿ber smart if they both take such extreme and unwarranted risks and that it always turns out okay.

And Misa Misa Misa Misa is just annoying.

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Report this Aug. 18 2009, 3:51 am

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Quote (Splurk @ Aug. 17 2009, 2:32 am) Why does every one like Wolverine the most? His powers are uncreative... Nightcrawler is more fun. Could not agree more. Have always been of the opinion that Wolverine is ridiculously overrated. Used to have great conversations with Toadman (before his account was nuked) about Wolverine and how he really isn't all that interesting.

Agreed Wolverine sucks.

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Quote (PrepareToBeBoarded @ Aug. 18 2009, 4:07 am) This thread's title is saying "There is only a small group of superheroes who belong to a small group compared to most other people". So, what you are saying is that the majority of superheroes belong to the majority? Makes sense, does it not? No, it's saying that people of colour are under-represented in the genre of comic books.

Actually the thread is primarily about the fact that even today there are few if any mainstream minority superheroes. Sure there are plenty of minority superheroes now but if I said to any random non-comic book reading person who is Black Panther, Luke Cage, War Machine, Black Vulcan, etc. etc. they aren't gonna have any clue who I'm talking about. Yet if I say do you know who Superman is or Spider-Man or Wonder Woman or Batman everybody knows who they are.

The closest minority superheroes to being mainstream are the John Stewart Green Lantern, Storm and sadly this guy...

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Report this Aug. 18 2009, 4:48 am

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Never have been. (Though there are a few exceptions.)

Pics or you are a closeminded absolutist.

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*shrugs* I've never been much of a comic book person, so I don't know that much about his character other than what's in the 9o's cartoon and the second X-Men movie.

90's cartoon stayed fairly true to the comic books. Films didn't, and then, like with the Spider Man films, they started to change the comic book characters to resemble those of the films more, then fans started complaining and they changed it back via extremely unlikely means. Marvel's past its top.

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BTW: I never got to read your response (if you responded) in the other thread because it was deleted...

Depends on what your last response was, I think mine was picturing this guy:





Killy, wandering through the levels of 'The City' in search for a child with Net Terminal Interface Genes a (nearly) extinct genetic marker that can identify a human to contact the Netsphere to halt the chaotic expanse of the city and establish human control. No one knows how the city came and even he forgot how long he's searching but there are hints he's been searching for millions of years already, and that he's not as human as he looks.

But that's not the point, he's quite the enigmatic and attractive fellow.

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Report this Aug. 18 2009, 5:28 am

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Quote (ZeroArmour @ Aug. 18 2009, 4:14 am) Quote (PrepareToBeBoarded @ Aug. 18 2009, 4:07 am) This thread's title is saying "There is only a small group of superheroes who belong to a small group compared to most other people". So, what you are saying is that the majority of superheroes belong to the majority? Makes sense, does it not? No, it's saying that people of colour are under-represented in the genre of comic books. Actually the thread is primarily about the fact that even today there are few if any mainstream minority superheroes. Sure there are plenty of minority superheroes now but if I said to any random non-comic book reading person who is Black Panther, Luke Cage, War Machine, Black Vulcan, etc. etc. they aren't gonna have any clue who I'm talking about. Yet if I say do you know who Superman is or Spider-Man or Wonder Woman or Batman everybody knows who they are. The closest minority superheroes to being mainstream are the John Stewart Green Lantern, Storm and sadly this guy...

SO what you are really saying is that minority superheroes are less popular? Sure, you can put some blame on those in charge of advertisement, but does it not mostly depend on the fans?

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Quote (PrepareToBeBoarded @ Aug. 18 2009, 4:07 am) This thread's title is saying "There is only a small group of superheroes who belong to a small group compared to most other people". So, what you are saying is that the majority of superheroes belong to the majority? Makes sense, does it not? No, it's saying that people of colour are under-represented in the genre of comic books.

Then that's what the title of the thread should be. Just sayin...

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Report this Aug. 18 2009, 7:25 am

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Quote (Gold_53 @ Aug. 18 2009, 3:40 am) Quote (ZeroArmour @ Aug. 18 2009, 4:14 am) Quote (PrepareToBeBoarded @ Aug. 18 2009, 4:07 am) This thread's title is saying "There is only a small group of superheroes who belong to a small group compared to most other people". So, what you are saying is that the majority of superheroes belong to the majority? Makes sense, does it not? No, it's saying that people of colour are under-represented in the genre of comic books. Actually the thread is primarily about the fact that even today there are few if any mainstream minority superheroes. Sure there are plenty of minority superheroes now but if I said to any random non-comic book reading person who is Black Panther, Luke Cage, War Machine, Black Vulcan, etc. etc. they aren't gonna have any clue who I'm talking about. Yet if I say do you know who Superman is or Spider-Man or Wonder Woman or Batman everybody knows who they are. The closest minority superheroes to being mainstream are the John Stewart Green Lantern, Storm and sadly this guy... SO what you are really saying is that minority superheroes are less popular? Sure, you can put some blame on those in charge of advertisement, but does it not mostly depend on the fans? Quote (ZeroArmour @ Aug. 18 2009, 4:14 am) Quote (PrepareToBeBoarded @ Aug. 18 2009, 4:07 am) This thread's title is saying "There is only a small group of superheroes who belong to a small group compared to most other people". So, what you are saying is that the majority of superheroes belong to the majority? Makes sense, does it not? No, it's saying that people of colour are under-represented in the genre of comic books. Then that's what the title of the thread should be. Just sayin...

No what I'm saying is there are no Mainstream minority superheroes. The only attempt so far is a bad Will Smith movie. The Green Lantern movie will be about Hal Jordan not John Stewart. The Wonder Woman movie will likely be white woman despite some of the Beyonce rumors. The Avengers and Justice League movies if they are ever made will not have any minority superheroes in them. In fact no minority superhero will likely get a chance to be a Mainstream success at least not in the near future.

I guess there's always the possibility of a War Machine spin off from Iron Man but unlikely though I suspect he will at least appear in Iron Man 2 or 3.

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Report this Aug. 18 2009, 4:25 pm

Quote (Gold_53 @ Aug. 17 2009, 8:25 am)

Quote (PrepareToBeBoarded @ Aug. 18 2009, 5:28 am) Quote (Gold_53 @ Aug. 18 2009, 3:40 am) Quote (ZeroArmour @ Aug. 18 2009, 4:14 am) Quote (PrepareToBeBoarded @ Aug. 18 2009, 4:07 am) This thread's title is saying "There is only a small group of superheroes who belong to a small group compared to most other people". So, what you are saying is that the majority of superheroes belong to the majority? Makes sense, does it not? No, it's saying that people of colour are under-represented in the genre of comic books. Actually the thread is primarily about the fact that even today there are few if any mainstream minority superheroes. Sure there are plenty of minority superheroes now but if I said to any random non-comic book reading person who is Black Panther, Luke Cage, War Machine, Black Vulcan, etc. etc. they aren't gonna have any clue who I'm talking about. Yet if I say do you know who Superman is or Spider-Man or Wonder Woman or Batman everybody knows who they are. The closest minority superheroes to being mainstream are the John Stewart Green Lantern, Storm and sadly this guy... SO what you are really saying is that minority superheroes are less popular? Sure, you can put some blame on those in charge of advertisement, but does it not mostly depend on the fans? Quote (ZeroArmour @ Aug. 18 2009, 4:14 am) Quote (PrepareToBeBoarded @ Aug. 18 2009, 4:07 am) This thread's title is saying "There is only a small group of superheroes who belong to a small group compared to most other people". So, what you are saying is that the majority of superheroes belong to the majority? Makes sense, does it not? No, it's saying that people of colour are under-represented in the genre of comic books. Then that's what the title of the thread should be. Just sayin... No what I'm saying is there are no Mainstream minority superheroes. The only attempt so far is a bad Will Smith movie. The Green Lantern movie will be about Hal Jordan not John Stewart. The Wonder Woman movie will likely be white woman despite some of the Beyonce rumors. The Avengers and Justice League movies if they are ever made will not have any minority superheroes in them. In fact no minority superhero will likely get a chance to be a Mainstream success at least not in the near future. I guess there's always the possibility of a War Machine spin off from Iron Man but unlikely though I suspect he will at least appear in Iron Man 2 or 3.

You also have to look at the era where a lot of these "mainstream" heroes come from. Many of these characters were created anywhere from the 30s to the 60s, at which a miniority superhero sadly had no credibility. One of my favorite DS9 episodes was "Beyond the Furthest Star" in which Sisko was living the life of a writer in the early 1900s. People took black main characters less serious than black writers.

I don't know if it's been covered or not, but Blade brought a b-list character to mainstream status, at least for a little while. The problem is the comic version is so much crap, compared to the movie version. Black Panther is another character I wouldn't consider b-list, not really.

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Quote (Red_Shirt_Casualty @ Aug. 18 2009, 4:25 pm)

Quote (Gold_53 @ Aug. 17 2009, 8:25 am) Quote (PrepareToBeBoarded @ Aug. 18 2009, 5:28 am) Quote (Gold_53 @ Aug. 18 2009, 3:40 am) Quote (ZeroArmour @ Aug. 18 2009, 4:14 am) Quote (PrepareToBeBoarded @ Aug. 18 2009, 4:07 am) This thread's title is saying "There is only a small group of superheroes who belong to a small group compared to most other people". So, what you are saying is that the majority of superheroes belong to the majority? Makes sense, does it not? No, it's saying that people of colour are under-represented in the genre of comic books. Actually the thread is primarily about the fact that even today there are few if any mainstream minority superheroes. Sure there are plenty of minority superheroes now but if I said to any random non-comic book reading person who is Black Panther, Luke Cage, War Machine, Black Vulcan, etc. etc. they aren't gonna have any clue who I'm talking about. Yet if I say do you know who Superman is or Spider-Man or Wonder Woman or Batman everybody knows who they are. The closest minority superheroes to being mainstream are the John Stewart Green Lantern, Storm and sadly this guy... SO what you are really saying is that minority superheroes are less popular? Sure, you can put some blame on those in charge of advertisement, but does it not mostly depend on the fans? Quote (ZeroArmour @ Aug. 18 2009, 4:14 am) Quote (PrepareToBeBoarded @ Aug. 18 2009, 4:07 am) This thread's title is saying "There is only a small group of superheroes who belong to a small group compared to most other people". So, what you are saying is that the majority of superheroes belong to the majority? Makes sense, does it not? No, it's saying that people of colour are under-represented in the genre of comic books. Then that's what the title of the thread should be. Just sayin... No what I'm saying is there are no Mainstream minority superheroes. The only attempt so far is a bad Will Smith movie. The Green Lantern movie will be about Hal Jordan not John Stewart. The Wonder Woman movie will likely be white woman despite some of the Beyonce rumors. The Avengers and Justice League movies if they are ever made will not have any minority superheroes in them. In fact no minority superhero will likely get a chance to be a Mainstream success at least not in the near future. I guess there's always the possibility of a War Machine spin off from Iron Man but unlikely though I suspect he will at least appear in Iron Man 2 or 3. You also have to look at the era where a lot of these "mainstream" heroes come from. Many of these characters were created anywhere from the 30s to the 60s, at which a miniority superhero sadly had no credibility. One of my favorite DS9 episodes was "Beyond the Furthest Star" in which Sisko was living the life of a writer in the early 1900s. People took black main characters less serious than black writers. I don't know if it's been covered or not, but Blade brought a b-list character to mainstream status, at least for a little while. The problem is the comic version is so much crap, compared to the movie version. Black Panther is another character I wouldn't consider b-list, not really.

Yeah Blade was covered. Thing is he really isn't a superhero no more than Buffy the Vampire Slayer is a superhero. As for the 30s to 60s argument yah we talked about that on page 1 and it's true most of the mainstream superheroes were created during this time frame. The thing is since then no minority mainstream superhero has been created. The closest would be Spawn and Storm as far as movies go and Spawn wasn't much of a success. As for cartoons the most well known would likely be the John Stewart version of Green Lantern who was prominently featured in many of the Justice League cartoons.

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