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$500 million dollar church.

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I hope that was a joke, but I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't.

A friend of mine told me last week or so that he couldn't afford the membership at his church it was $2000 for the year.

I haven't been to a church since they dragged me down the aisle at my confirmation so I have no idea if that is normal or not. I just remember them always passing the collection plate.

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Report this Aug. 13 2009, 3:34 pm

So in my area there is a small local church that has grown over the years. It is at a point where it has to split its Sunday morning mass into 3 separate masses to accomodate all the people. Parking is a nightmare.

So the powers to be decide they "need" a new church. I say "need" because the church is fine just crowded and I do not equate that with need as I do with want.

So they buy some property right before the california real estate explosion, when property values are at their highest. The piece of land they acquire is big enough for 4 super walmarts and a mini mall with parking for all.

They expanded the road on which the property sits from 2 lanes to 4 lanes and have started to erect 6 very large multi story buildings. Each has to be at least 6 stories.

My father has been in government and commercial construction his whole life. He estimates that this project cost is anywhere from 200 - 500 million dollars. I am sure the church is probably not spending that much money they are probably getting a huge discount but still they are spending a fortune.

I find that a bit disturbing. I keep think that they could have done so much good with that money. They could have fed the homeless, sent food to needy children, opened batter shelters, ect.ect.

Am I being to critical?

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Report this Aug. 13 2009, 3:35 pm

I think so too.
you need no millions of churches, you should rather help people.
Jesus would want that more than any cathedrale or whatever.

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Report this Aug. 13 2009, 3:40 pm

Quote (Trekkicat @ Aug. 13 2009, 3:35 pm)
I think so too.
you need no millions of churches, you should rather help people.
Jesus would want that more than any cathedrale or whatever.

Thank you for agreeing

Doesn't seem excessive?

I mean you can buy a home here for 300k and up . Why not just add on to the church?

It doesn't seem very Christ like. I don't think it would make him happy to think that the money could have been used to help needy people but instead went to feed an ego.

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Report this Aug. 13 2009, 3:41 pm

Quote (jn91669 @ Aug. 13 2009, 3:34 pm)
So in my area there is a small local church that has grown over the years. It is at a point where it has to split its Sunday morning mass into 3 separate masses to accomodate all the people. Parking is a nightmare.

So the powers to be decide they "need" a new church. I say "need" because the church is fine just crowded and I do not equate that with need as I do with want.

So they buy some property right before the california real estate explosion, when property values are at their highest. The piece of land they acquire is big enough for 4 super walmarts and a mini mall with parking for all.

They expanded the road on which the property sits from 2 lanes to 4 lanes and have started to erect 6 very large multi story buildings. Each has to be at least 6 stories.

My father has been in government and commercial construction his whole life. He estimates that this project cost is anywhere from 200 - 500 million dollars. I am sure the church is probably not spending that much money they are probably getting a huge discount but still they are spending a fortune.

I find that a bit disturbing. I keep think that they could have done so much good with that money. They could have fed the homeless, sent food to needy children, opened batter shelters, ect.ect.

Am I being to critical?

50 million is nothing these days
More is spent at the new Super Walmart down the road from me

If it keeps the kids off the drugs, away from drive bys and out of juvie I'll pay for it

What price tag would a person place on a human life?

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Report this Aug. 13 2009, 3:44 pm

While I agree it seems excessive, as long as they're using their own money and not public funds I see no problem with it.

I also don't agree with the tax free status of religions in general, but then, that's another discussion.

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Report this Aug. 13 2009, 3:47 pm

Quote (Avenger_Class2009 @ Aug. 13 2009, 3:41 pm)
Quote (jn91669 @ Aug. 13 2009, 3:34 pm)
So in my area there is a small local church that has grown over the years. It is at a point where it has to split its Sunday morning mass into 3 separate masses to accomodate all the people. Parking is a nightmare.

So the powers to be decide they "need" a new church. I say "need" because the church is fine just crowded and I do not equate that with need as I do with want.

So they buy some property right before the california real estate explosion, when property values are at their highest. The piece of land they acquire is big enough for 4 super walmarts and a mini mall with parking for all.

They expanded the road on which the property sits from 2 lanes to 4 lanes and have started to erect 6 very large multi story buildings. Each has to be at least 6 stories.

My father has been in government and commercial construction his whole life. He estimates that this project cost is anywhere from 200 - 500 million dollars. I am sure the church is probably not spending that much money they are probably getting a huge discount but still they are spending a fortune.

I find that a bit disturbing. I keep think that they could have done so much good with that money. They could have fed the homeless, sent food to needy children, opened batter shelters, ect.ect.

Am I being to critical?

50 million is nothing these days
More is spent at the new Super Walmart down the road from me

If it keeps the kids off the drugs, away from drive bys and out of juvie I'll pay for it

What price tag would a person place on a human life?

Not $50 million five hundred million. :O

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Report this Aug. 13 2009, 3:48 pm

Quote (jn91669 @ Aug. 13 2009, 12:34 pm)
So in my area there is a small local church that has grown over the years. It is at a point where it has to split its Sunday morning mass into 3 separate masses to accomodate all the people. Parking is a nightmare.

So the powers to be decide they "need" a new church. I say "need" because the church is fine just crowded and I do not equate that with need as I do with want.

So they buy some property right before the california real estate explosion, when property values are at their highest. The piece of land they acquire is big enough for 4 super walmarts and a mini mall with parking for all.

They expanded the road on which the property sits from 2 lanes to 4 lanes and have started to erect 6 very large multi story buildings. Each has to be at least 6 stories.

My father has been in government and commercial construction his whole life. He estimates that this project cost is anywhere from 200 - 500 million dollars. I am sure the church is probably not spending that much money they are probably getting a huge discount but still they are spending a fortune.

I find that a bit disturbing. I keep think that they could have done so much good with that money. They could have fed the homeless, sent food to needy children, opened batter shelters, etc., etc.

Am I being too critical?

The other side is: many jobs will be created, men and women will be able to pay their rent or mortgages, some homeless will make enough money to share a hotel room or something, children will be fed and just maybe some of the people who are working won't be battering their female companions.

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Report this Aug. 13 2009, 3:49 pm

Quote (Beccs_ @ Aug. 13 2009, 3:44 pm)
While I agree it seems excessive, as long as they're using their own money and not public funds I see no problem with it.

I also don't agree with the tax free status of religions in general, but then, that's another discussion.

They raised their own money, but I still can't help to think if you can raise money for your self than why not for others.

You know what I mean? I don't know. It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth  :sick:  :laugh:

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Report this Aug. 13 2009, 3:51 pm

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....The piece of land they acquired [for the new bigger church] is big enough for 4 super walmarts and a mini mall with parking for all....


Welcome to Trader Jesus's. Parking: $6, Minivans/SUVs: $8
Admission: $10 Adults, $7 Kids 4-13, $3 Under 3
Yearly membership entrance cards available: $69.95

Aisle 1: Lutherans
Aisle 2: Catholics
Aisle 3: Episcopalians
Aisle 4: Mormons
Aisle 5-20: Everyone else

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Report this Aug. 13 2009, 3:52 pm

why are we on the second place? :O

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Report this Aug. 13 2009, 3:53 pm

You ever see the movie "The Bishop's Wife"?   It's kind of Christmas movie with David Niven and Cary Grant.  David Niven is obsessed with getting a wealthy widow to donate a huge amount of money for a giant cathedral in her husband's honor.   He becomes so obsessed with this project, seeing it as his ultimate contribution to mankind, that he neglects his own parish and the people who are poor and needy.   Grant is an angel sent to remind him that doing good for the needy is the work of the church and not building rich cathedrals.   Grant talks the widow into donating the money to the poor and needy.   While it is possible a mega-church might be able to do that better, anytime money is put into buildings other than helping the needy, I'm very skeptical that they see the true meaning of their calling.

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Report this Aug. 13 2009, 3:53 pm

:O
You missed the point.

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Report this Aug. 13 2009, 3:55 pm

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Report this Aug. 13 2009, 3:57 pm

Quote (Trekkicat @ Aug. 13 2009, 12:52 pm)
why are we on the second place? :O

You know how the Germans are- they want to be first in everything.

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Report this Aug. 13 2009, 3:58 pm

> id="QUOTE"> border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (Admiral_JTK @ Aug. 13 2009, 3:51 pm)> id="QUOTE">:laugh:
I hope that was a joke, but I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't.

A friend of mine told me last week or so that he couldn't afford the membership at his church it was $2000 for the year.

I haven't been to a church since they dragged me down the aisle at my confirmation so I have no idea if that is normal or not. I just remember them always passing the collection plate.
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Are you kidding?
There's a charge for membership at church?
$2000 a year?
and I havent been to a church since my 1st communion like almost 40 years ago

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