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honeybee1111

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Report this Nov. 05 2009, 9:01 am

I've always blamed UPN for the death of Enterprise - more than even B&B. All the previous shows except TOS - took time to get on their feet and really find their voice and audience. UPN never understood that - nor did they understand that SciFi audiences in the early 2000s were shrinking as casual viewers turned to reality shows and news. I still hate to see the casual way in which Enterprise is dismissed when it did just get better and better until it was cancelled.

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Report this Nov. 05 2009, 9:29 am

Quote (honeybee1111 @ Nov. 05 2009, 9:01 am)
I've always blamed UPN for the death of Enterprise - more than even B&B. All the previous shows except TOS - took time to get on their feet and really find their voice and audience. UPN never understood that - nor did they understand that SciFi audiences in the early 2000s were shrinking as casual viewers turned to reality shows and news. I still hate to see the casual way in which Enterprise is dismissed when it did just get better and better until it was cancelled.

You hit the nail on the head.

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Report this Nov. 05 2009, 9:31 am

When I look at episodes like Similitude, Twilight, Azati Prime, the whole Vulcan Arc, Observer Effect, Demons, Terra Prime....and then I hear people dismiss the show as crap...I'm like...what do you want The Sopranos? Cause this show had some great episodes. *sigh*

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Report this Nov. 05 2009, 9:41 am

Quote (honeybee1111 @ Nov. 05 2009, 9:31 am)
When I look at episodes like Similitude, Twilight, Azati Prime, the whole Vulcan Arc, Observer Effect, Demons, Terra Prime....and then I hear people dismiss the show as crap...I'm like...what do you want The Sopranos? Cause this show had some great episodes. *sigh*

Those people never gave it chance and probably never saw those episodes.

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Report this Nov. 05 2009, 7:14 pm

UPN defiantly has to take a lot of the blame on the shows early demise.  It was pretty clear that the network was slowly going down for the count during the airing of Enterprise.  I always wonder if what would have happened if they had contracted the show out to the SCFI channel or some other cable channel.  UPNs other shows really did not feed into bringing non ST fans into Enterprise, if I remember correctly by this time almost all their other shows where ethnic women based comedies, granted I sure there is an audience for those type of shows, but it really does not feed into a SCFI show, since the audiences are completely different.

As for B&B I admit they produced and even wrote some awesome episodes, but I still have trouble forgiving them for the crap final.

It is also correct that the other ST shows really did not get off the ground well, Voyager started really getting its own voice in season 3, DS9 I found almost mind numbing boring until half way through season 3.  It is a shame they did not give Enterprise more time since there was some outstanding episodes in the final two season (in fact there was some dang good ones in the first two seasons).

Oh well at least we have the books.

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Report this Nov. 05 2009, 10:54 pm

Quote (honeybee1111 @ Nov. 05 2009, 9:01 am)
I've always blamed UPN for the death of Enterprise - more than even B&B. All the previous shows except TOS - took time to get on their feet and really find their voice and audience. UPN never understood that - nor did they understand that SciFi audiences in the early 2000s were shrinking as casual viewers turned to reality shows and news. I still hate to see the casual way in which Enterprise is dismissed when it did just get better and better until it was cancelled.

It sounds like you and Scott Bakula agree. His take on UPN.

SB: If I could explain UPN's philosophy of scheduling, I would probably be qualified for brain surgery. I don't get it, I never have. Plus the fact that they're changing our timeslot in reruns, so go figure.

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Report this Nov. 06 2009, 1:26 am

More information about Enterprise season 5!

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Star_Trek:_Enterprise
A fifth season of Star Trek: Enterprise was never produced, since the show was officially canceled on 2 February 2005. The producers, however, had already devised numerous plans for future seasons, which could have started airing by September 2005. Most information is based on comments by producer Manny Coto.

   * A Kzinti episode had been suggested as a prequel to TAS: "The Slaver Weapon", which progressed as far as a "rough rendering" of a Kzinti starship, commissioned by writer Jimmy Diggs. The story was titled "Kilkenny Cats." [1]
   * An episode had been discussed where the Enterprise crew encountered a previous alias of Flint.
     (citation needed ¿ edit)
   * Manny Coto has stated that, had the series been given a fifth season, the recurring character of Shran may have joined the crew of Enterprise, as an "auxiliary or an advisor" [2] [3]
   * At the 2009 VegasCon, Coto suggested that two big themes of the season would have been to show "origins of the Federation" and "whispers of the Romulan war". Consequently, the Romulans would be the major villains of the season, although other species may have appeared in the mini-arcs. Brannon Braga noted that he and Rick Berman had considered making "Future Guy" a Romulan. [4]
   * Plans existed for an episode showing the construction of the first starbase, most likely in the Berengaria system. First hints to that episode were already given in "Bound". [5]
   * Enterprise was due to revisit (actually previsit) the cloud city Stratos on Ardana showing the formation of the two castes seen in TOS: "The Cloud Minders". [6]
   * Guinan (Whoopi Goldberg) might have been seen as well: an 80-page teleplay for a two-hour drama introducing Guinan to the NX-01 crew and centering around Hoshi Sato was submitted for Season Five, entitled "The Treatment" (Writer's Guild-East Registration R18220-00) and written by Rhett Coates. The script was sent on 1 February 2005 and registered by the Writer's Guild on 11 April, two months after the series had already been canceled. The story features Guinan under the assumed name of "Madam Claranna" and serving as acting personal assistant of the head of the United Earth Space Probe Agency. It also would have introduced Skon, father of Sarek and grandfather of Spock (referenced in Star Trek III: The Search for Spock). The story included many tie-ins to TOS and TNG, more background information about Guinan, an explanation as to why Vulcan delayed helping Earth in its warp drive program, the introduction of the newly-established starship-design designation call-letters NCC (referenced in the teleplay as "Naval Construction Contract"), and Hoshi's prime motivation for creating the linguacode translation matrix (as mentioned in "In a Mirror, Darkly, Part II"). A scene early on in the story was written as a special nod to Gene Roddenberry (and to fans): a Capellan woman sings a song called "Remember Me" [TOS theme - but slowly, as a love-theme] in the space station lounge. The author envisioned Chase Masterson to play the role - and named the character "A'tee-el" as a reversal of actress Masterson's DS9 character name, Leeta. Coates wrote two story synopses on two different TrekUnited forums; the first reads as follows:

       Enterprise NX-01, docked at an alien space station [or newly-established star-base], is to undergo a systems re-fit with a new technology called LinguiTran, recently created by one of Henry Archer's former students, Madam Pres. Shaka Almashad (of the United Earth Space Probe Agency). While work begins, an error in translating an alien language results in a horrifying medical [condition] regarding crewman Hoshi Sato, forcing the crew and their guests to face a controversial moral issue that tests everyone's faith in their future, and that may also decide the fate of an entire species - and Hoshi's life. Tempers begin to flare as the situation worsens, with a developing threat to the lives of everyone aboard the ship. Finally, an unexpected and shocking twist to their dilemma, with a revelation about the origin of life, could either spell doom for everyone or - depending upon their actions - bring an optimistic and hopeful outcome to what is otherwise a harsh subject topic.[7]

   His second synopsis reads as follows:

       Guinan and Skon visit Capt. Archer's starship Enterprise, and try to help avert a 22nd century moral issue disaster when a dangerous, unborn fetus -- still in it's mother's womb -- makes it's own choice if it will live or die. HOSHI is the one with the "creature" inside her (the story's pivot character), and the way the story pans out is what instigates her decision to perfect the Linguicode Translation Matrix. (You'll have to see the story to understand exactly why.....) Everyone is thrown into a fit (the entire NX-01 crew goes nuts), and Reed nearly has a nervous breakdown for thinking he caused the incident. T'Pol and Phlox go up against the Captain in the "moral issue" part, and even Section 31 comes into play. This one is a story I think the fans will truly enjoy, particularly when references are made to future 'Treks (TOS and TNG) that should be obvious to us, but not to anyone in the story except Guinan.....[8]

   * Further planned topics included the Enterprise finally visiting Phlox's homeworld, Denobula. A return of Section 31, which had its last appearance in "Terra Prime", was planned as well.
     (citation needed ¿ edit)
   * Furthermore, revisiting the mirror universe, which had already been shown in "In a Mirror, Darkly", and possibly featuring Hoshi Sato being empress of the Terran Empire had also been discussed. At the 2009 VegasCon, Coto revealed that one idea was to spread four or five episodes through the season, as a kind of "mini-series inside a series". He stated it was his "big regret" at not getting a chance to do so. [9]
   * Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens pitched a story with Alice Krige as a Starfleet medical technician who makes contact with the Borg from Season 2 ("Regeneration") and becomes the Borg Queen. [10]
   * Writer/producer Mike Sussman hoped to have T'Pol finally meet her father, and reveal to the audience that he was in fact a Romulan agent who had posed as a Vulcan officer prior to faking his own death. The suggestion that T'Pol was half-Romulan would have shed light on her affinity for Humans as well as her interest in experimenting with emotions. (Information provided by Mike Sussman)
   * In a 2009 interview, Welsh writer/producer Russell T Davies, showrunner of the British series Doctor Who, said that he had considered doing a crossover between Doctor Who and Star Trek, but the latter was canceled before the idea could be pursued.[11]

Dbear1

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Report this Nov. 06 2009, 8:28 am

Shame a lot of those ideas sound cool Narada.

Although I am not sure how I would have felt about Guinan being on the show, she really was never that good of character IMO.

I also think 4 or 5 mirror universe episodes are a bit of an over kill, I prefer episodes dealing with the actual crew myself.

Still a lot of those ideas sounded like they would have been good story lines.

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Report this Nov. 06 2009, 1:18 pm

Quote (whyaduck @ Nov. 05 2009, 10:54 pm)
Quote (honeybee1111 @ Nov. 05 2009, 9:01 am)
I've always blamed UPN for the death of Enterprise - more than even B&B. All the previous shows except TOS - took time to get on their feet and really find their voice and audience. UPN never understood that - nor did they understand that SciFi audiences in the early 2000s were shrinking as casual viewers turned to reality shows and news. I still hate to see the casual way in which Enterprise is dismissed when it did just get better and better until it was cancelled.

It sounds like you and Scott Bakula agree. His take on UPN.

SB: If I could explain UPN's philosophy of scheduling, I would probably be qualified for brain surgery. I don't get it, I never have. Plus the fact that they're changing our timeslot in reruns, so go figure.

"Go figure" -- yeh Bak is always more polite and circumspect than the rest of us would be! :D

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Report this Nov. 06 2009, 1:21 pm

Quote (Yanks @ Nov. 06 2009, 9:34 am)
Wow Narada !!! Lots of great info.

Thanks for putting it all together!!!! :cool:

Thank you Dbear1 and Yanks. I am very interested in this topic!

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Report this Nov. 06 2009, 3:37 pm

I looked further into the treatments mentioned on the memory alpha page by Rhett Coates. I was wondering how these treatments were posted to the TrekUnited forums so I researched more information. I was also interested because with these treatments you can see part of the writing process in action. With the summary you can see how a basic story is formed and what they wish to emphasize on the show. It is clear for season 5 they wished to draw even more canon connections and deeper ethical explorations. Here is more about this writer who submitted treatments just as Enterprise was canceled. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2822895/resume

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Report this Nov. 06 2009, 7:18 pm

Maybe everyone saw this already but Berman and Braga mention the Romulans and foreshadowing to the Romulan War would take place during the rest of Enterprise.

http://trekmovie.com/2009....09-more
# The two main things they wanted to do with S5 was the "origins of the Federation" and the "begin whispers of the Romulan War", and tying those two together
# No other major villains were planned to be introduced, the Romulans were going to be the big villain, but would have new ones within new ?mini-arcs?
# Rick and Brannon thought Future Guy was "probably going to be a Romulan" and would tie into the Romulan War with a future Romulan trying to "instigate" things

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Report this Jul. 22 2010, 3:15 pm

Braga will be apologizing to fans for at least 2 more decades, lol. I'm glad that he admits that Ent should have been like season 4 from the beginning.

I kind of feel sorry for the guy. Imagine going from the peak of success, dating 7of9, to where he is now, after the short-lived and crappy scifi show he did after ENT. I can't even remember the name of it.

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