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Kukalaka009

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Report this Aug. 11 2009, 10:16 am

Was it ever explained why (when the starfleet uniforms were changed when DS9 premiered...and then later when the uniforms changed again for "First Contact") the science and medical color went from blue to an odd shade of green.

Haven't seen all of DS9 yet so I was wondering if this was ever explained. Not that it's really all that important. I was just curious.

Splurk

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Report this Aug. 11 2009, 2:22 pm

Oh well, it used to be redshirts that died, not commanded people into death.

stovokor2000

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Report this Aug. 11 2009, 2:46 pm

Quote (Kukalaka009 @ Aug. 11 2009, 10:16 am)
Was it ever explained why (when the starfleet uniforms were changed when DS9 premiered...and then later when the uniforms changed again for "First Contact") the science and medical color went from blue to an odd shade of green.

Haven't seen all of DS9 yet so I was wondering if this was ever explained. Not that it's really all that important. I was just curious.

I'm not sure you can say the color really changed.I think its more an issue of the filming technology or the martial used in the uniforms.

All the production note from TNG trew DS9 state that the medical uniform color is "Teal" not blue.

And if you have ever seen any of the actual uniforms, which I have, you would see that they were more in what one might call "the green-ish spectrum" then blue.

I've seen the actual uniform worn by Gates MacFaden [Dr.Crussher] from season 1 and one of the later seasons and the uniform was Teal not blue.

I think teal didnt show up very well on the type of film they were useing then.

Kukalaka009

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Report this Aug. 12 2009, 11:18 am

I have to disagree. I have also seen the actual uniforms from TNG and DS9 and the colors are definitely extremely different. TNG's were a mid range blue and DS9's were the greenish teal. It most definitely has nothing to do with how it shows up on film. Both series and films were shot on 35mm film. But yeah...I'm sure, like you said, that it was different material used for the different uniforms.

Not that this all really matters. I happen to like the teal better than the blue.

But going back to my original question. Did they ever explain this change in the show?

I'll answer my own question, then. Probably not.

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Report this Aug. 12 2009, 11:32 am

Not that I'm aware of. I do know that on "Trials and Tribbleations", Bashir's original series outfit was as blue as any others. Also in Emissary it's the same. He and Dax start off in the very distinctly blue starship type uniforms. I guess just put it down to the fact that all uniforms change over time.

I guess that could be because DS9 crew had to be a little more "hands on" in a way. whajja reckon?

Kukalaka009

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Report this Aug. 12 2009, 11:51 am

Quote (OtakuJo @ Aug. 12 2009, 11:32 am)
Not that I'm aware of. I do know that on "Trials and Tribbleations", Bashir's original series outfit was as blue as any others. Also in Emissary it's the same. He and Dax start off in the very distinctly blue starship type uniforms. I guess just put it down to the fact that all uniforms change over time.

I guess that could be because DS9 crew had to be a little more "hands on" in a way. whajja reckon?

The Star Trek Encyclopedia cites the TNG uniforms as "regulation duty uniforms" and the DS9 uniforms as "starfleet jumpsuits".

Just like you said, the jumpsuits were probably a "get your hands dirty" type of uniform. It being a busy spacestation after all.

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Report this Aug. 12 2009, 11:58 am

There was one point when starship based personnel wore the black shoulders and colored midriff and stationary (gound based/station based) wore the colored shoulders

Also I seem to remember reading in some tech manual that even in TOS Life Sciences (ie medical) was supposed to be teal while all other sciences wore blue. Because of the budget they wore the same color though. There was one tunic McCoy wore that gave off a lighter color blue than Spocks shirt, but it was not Teal. I am certain this was the materiel used and not an intended wardrobe change

Throughout ALL the series and movies Starfleet uniforms and rank insignia have been very inconsistent

stovokor2000

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Report this Aug. 12 2009, 3:42 pm

Quote (Kukalaka009 @ Aug. 12 2009, 11:18 am)
I have to disagree. I have also seen the actual uniforms from TNG and DS9 and the colors are definitely extremely different. TNG's were a mid range blue and DS9's were the greenish teal. It most definitely has nothing to do with how it shows up on film. Both series and films were shot on 35mm film. But yeah...I'm sure, like you said, that it was different material used for the different uniforms.

Not that this all really matters. I happen to like the teal better than the blue.

But going back to my original question. Did they ever explain this change in the show?

I'll answer my own question, then. Probably not.

No explanation on the show.

But again I point out that production notes for TNG call the medical uniform's color as "Teal" not blue.And I believe that that the action figures were made with those production notes in mind.

And if you look closely you can see the difference between the Blue of Crushers jacked and the teal of her uniform.

Kukalaka009

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Report this Aug. 12 2009, 6:40 pm

Quote (stovokor2000 @ Aug. 12 2009, 3:42 pm)
Quote (Kukalaka009 @ Aug. 12 2009, 11:18 am)
I have to disagree. I have also seen the actual uniforms from TNG and DS9 and the colors are definitely extremely different. TNG's were a mid range blue and DS9's were the greenish teal. It most definitely has nothing to do with how it shows up on film. Both series and films were shot on 35mm film. But yeah...I'm sure, like you said, that it was different material used for the different uniforms.

Not that this all really matters. I happen to like the teal better than the blue.

But going back to my original question. Did they ever explain this change in the show?

I'll answer my own question, then. Probably not.

No explanation on the show.

But again I point out that production notes for TNG call the medical uniform's color as "Teal" not blue.And I believe that that the action figures were made with those production notes in mind.

And if you look closely you can see the difference between the Blue of Crushers jacked and the teal of her uniform.

Playmates Toys made the science & medical cast member uniforms just straight up green! I absolutely hated that!!! I had to paint over them just to make them look accurate.

Thankfully, the Art asylum/Diamond Select Toy company has not only made the action figures taller with more of a ressemblance to the actors, but the science and med characters are FINALLY the right shade of blue.

Yes...i'll admit it...i'm very picky when it comes to authenticity.

stovokor2000

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Report this Aug. 12 2009, 10:07 pm

Quote (Kukalaka009 @ Aug. 12 2009, 6:40 pm)
Playmates Toys made the science & medical cast member uniforms just straight up green! I absolutely hated that!!! I had to paint over them just to make them look accurate.

They werent green they were teal.As the production notes describe them.

Kukalaka009

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Report this Aug. 13 2009, 9:24 am

Quote (stovokor2000 @ Aug. 12 2009, 10:07 pm)
Quote (Kukalaka009 @ Aug. 12 2009, 6:40 pm)
Playmates Toys made the science & medical cast member uniforms just straight up green! I absolutely hated that!!! I had to paint over them just to make them look accurate.

They werent green they were teal.As the production notes describe them.

No. The TNG figures (Troi and Crusher) were straight up green...not teal.

Regardless on what the "production notes" described the science and med color, Playmates GOT IT WRONG. They should have looked at the actual show and not what the notes said.

They should've actually studied the movie "Generations" as well before they made those figures. The uniforms for those figures were something that was never even used...

...I'm guessing the looked at the preliminary "production notes" on that as well. Probably had to do quick sculpts to get the line out in time before the movie hit theatres.

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Report this Aug. 13 2009, 1:43 pm

Quote (Kukalaka009 @ Aug. 13 2009, 9:24 am)
No. The TNG figures (Troi and Crusher) were straight up green...not teal.

Regardless on what the "production notes" described the science and med color, Playmates GOT IT WRONG. They should have looked at the actual show and not what the notes said.


I'm sorry but no.Thats what true "teal" looks like.

I know many seem to think Teal is closer to blue in appearance but its not.
The Playmates Crusher and Troi were Teal not green.

TEAL




Now the gloss coat does make it look a bit different but thats teal.

stovokor2000

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Report this Aug. 13 2009, 1:45 pm

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And if it wasnt an issue with the filming or the material then I say they made several switchs.

They must have started out with teal in the first 2 seasons of TNG, changed to Blue for the rest and went back to teal for DS9/Voyager.

The season 1 and 2 Medical Uniforms were definitely closer to Teal then Blue.






So they werent that wrong..


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They should've actually studied the movie "Generations" as well before they made those figures. The uniforms for those figures were something that was never even used...


Those figures, like many movie figures, were produced useing drawings and designs.They were made months before the movie started filming.

Those were new uniform designs that we were supposed to get in the film but for what ever reason they chose not to use the new design.

And to tell the truth I'm glad.

I never liked the uniforms on the Generations figures.

Kukalaka009

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Report this Aug. 13 2009, 2:12 pm

Quote (stovokor2000 @ Aug. 13 2009, 1:45 pm)

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And if it wasnt an issue with the filming or the material then I say they made several switchs.

They must have started out with teal in the first 2 seasons of TNG, changed to Blue for the rest and went back to teal for DS9/Voyager.

The season 1 and 2 Medical Uniforms were definitely closer to Teal then Blue.






So they werent that wrong..


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They should've actually studied the movie "Generations" as well before they made those figures. The uniforms for those figures were something that was never even used...


Those figures, like many movie figures, were produced useing drawings and designs.They were made months before the movie started filming.

Those were new uniform designs that we were supposed to get in the film but for what ever reason they chose not to use the new design.

And to tell the truth I'm glad.

I never liked the uniforms on the Generations figures.

Sure looks green to me. But I'm not here to argue what teal does or doesn't look like. All I know is that TNG was blue, then Ds9 was "teal". Was curious about the change. Seems there's no answer...and that's okay.

Regardless, Playmates got it wrong. Diamond Select got it right.

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Report this Aug. 13 2009, 4:31 pm

Quote (Kukalaka009 @ Aug. 13 2009, 2:12 pm)
Sure looks green to me.

Well its teal.

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Regardless, Playmates got it wrong. Diamond Select got it right.


Thats your opinion.

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