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Quote (Corwin8 @ Aug. 13 2009, 12:04 pm)

No, I fear my taxes will increase to the point that it will be easier to live off the dole than show up to work and feed the government tax machine to pay for all this 'free shit'. As for illegals, keep beating me with that stick. I could care less, and apperently you do as you think I care. Illegals already chew up billions in healthcare dollars as it is. It doesn't matter if they do or don't to me, I'd rather they stop pissing on the legal immigrants who did not break the law to come here. But keep supporting the victim class, and saying I don't care. The only thing special about illegals is once amnesty is passed it"s 12 to 15 million more votes for the party of wage theives.

All of your posts can be reduced to the following...


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Seriously, I don't know how any human being could be so selfish to the point of ignoring their own self interest.

Quote (RomanLion @ Aug. 13 2009, 8:21 pm)

Quote (Corwin8 @ Aug. 13 2009, 12:04 pm) No, I fear my taxes will increase to the point that it will be easier to live off the dole than show up to work and feed the government tax machine to pay for all this 'free shit'. As for illegals, keep beating me with that stick. I could care less, and apperently you do as you think I care. Illegals already chew up billions in healthcare dollars as it is. It doesn't matter if they do or don't to me, I'd rather they stop pissing on the legal immigrants who did not break the law to come here. But keep supporting the victim class, and saying I don't care. The only thing special about illegals is once amnesty is passed it"s 12 to 15 million more votes for the party of wage theives. All of your posts can be reduced to the following... MINEMINEMINEMINEMINEMINEMINEMINEMINEMINEMINEMINEMINEMINEMINEMINEMINEMINEMINEMINEMINEMINEMI NEMINEMINEMINEMINEMINEMINEMINEMINEMINE Seriously, I don't know how any human being could be so selfish to the point of ignoring their own self interest.

How is taxing me for almost half my income helping me or in my own self intrest.

Keep using lables, I don't really care.

All of your posts can be reduced to the following...

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KETAKETAKETAKETAKETAKETAKETAKE  from those that earn to spend as YOU see fit.

It's not selfish to want to keep more of what I earn to improve the lives of my family. It's not greedy to want better things for me and my wife and kid.

You and PC have the same blind spot. I have no problem with taxes as a way to run government, I do have a problem with my taxes bailing out every corporation with a handout and giving everyone who asks 'free shit' and that list just keeps getting bigger.

Liberals judge how well the world is by how many people depend on government to get by.

Conservative judge how well the world is by how few rely on government to get by.

I know where I'd put you on the chart.

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Quote (Corwin8 @ Aug. 13 2009, 8:39 pm)

How is taxing me for almost half my income helping me or in my own self intrest. Keep using lables, I don't really care. All of your posts can be reduced to the following... TAKETAKETAKETAKETAKETAKETAKETAKETAKETAKETAKETAKETAKETAKETAKETAKETAKETAKETAKETAKETAKETAKETA KETAKETAKETAKETAKETAKETAKETAKE ¿from those that earn to spend as YOU see fit. It's not selfish to want to keep more of what I earn to improve the lives of my family. It's not greedy to want better things for me and my wife and kid. You and PC have the same blind spot. I have no problem with taxes as a way to run government, I do have a problem with my taxes bailing out every corporation with a handout and giving everyone who asks 'free shit' and that list just keeps getting bigger. Liberals judge how well the world is by how many people depend on government to get by. Conservative judge how well the world is by how few rely on government to get by. I know where I'd put you on the chart. GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME

Oh, please.

It isn't a problem of "depending on government" to get by. It's a matter of how the money is being spent.

As I keep pointing out, we spend more money on health care than ANY OTHER NATION on the planet. Twice as much as some of them.

Yet one out of six has no coverage, a good chunk of those who do have insufficient coverage, most bankruptcies are caused by medical crisis putting people in the poorhouse, etc.

But you support this system (and yes, you do, because you fight tooth an nail against changing it), even though it actually penalizes you.

Because we rely on employers to provide health insurance for about half of us, it means that cost is passed on to you in the form of higher costs of goods and services produced in the United States. This makes it hard for us to compete with a country like, oh, let's say Canada, where the government pays for it and the burden is spread more widely.

 But you're fine with all this, because the "government" isn't getting it.

And you are also fine with one out of six having no insurance, because, hey, they are getting by without the government. (Actually, not really. Some of them  are actually DYING, not that you care.) But you see, that's an added expense, too, because instead of treating that cold for $100.00 at a doctor's office, they are treating that pneumonia at an emergency room for $1000.00, which is passed on to you in the form of higher payments to insurance companies and/or higher taxes.

It's not a question about "giving" me personally. I expect I will STILL be on private insurance until I retire. But I expect that when we have a public option, these insurance companies are going to have to do what every other business that faces real competition has to do- get better at what they do.

Quote (RomanLion @ Aug. 14 2009, 5:55 am)

But you support this system (and yes, you do, because you fight tooth an nail against changing it), even though it actually penalizes you.

FAIL.

I can go and find all the places I've said that I don't support the current bill.

I don't think this bill and this plan are the right way to do it.

I have agreed that change is needed, not this bill. Get it right.

Of course feel free to mock and misquote me. I don't care.

Quote (Corwin8 @ Aug. 13 2009, 3:47 pm)

Quote (RomanLion @ Aug. 14 2009, 5:55 am) But you support this system (and yes, you do, because you fight tooth an nail against changing it), even though it actually penalizes you. FAIL. I can go and find all the places I've said that I don't support the current bill. I don't think this bill and this plan are the right way to do it. I have agreed that change is needed, not this bill. Get it right. Of course feel free to mock and misquote me. I don't care.

So then put up or shut up. What is your solution to this health crisis? You avoid that question like the plauge.

Secondly, I pay taxes AND give to charity. Thirdly, paying taxes isn't being "forced" it's the law. For you to sit there and complain about it is just plain stupid because no matter what, you have to pay taxes anyways, why not use the money to help people so that the WHOLE country benefits. People who are healthy are happy. People who are happy are productive. People who are productive make money for everyone.

You seem to have a block because you worked so hard, (which is good. Good for you, not everyone is you. Some people work even harder than you but for one reason or another cant catch a break.) you think you shouldn't have to help others. If you wanna go around life with the get your own attitude, do go around scratching your head why our society is the way it is.

Quote (Corwin8 @ Aug. 14 2009, 6:47 am)

Quote (RomanLion @ Aug. 14 2009, 5:55 am) But you support this system (and yes, you do, because you fight tooth an nail against changing it), even though it actually penalizes you. FAIL. I can go and find all the places I've said that I don't support the current bill. I don't think this bill and this plan are the right way to do it. I have agreed that change is needed, not this bill. Get it right. Of course feel free to mock and misquote me. I don't care.

Not this bill, because it's the Gubmit, gosh darn it...

let's be honest, that's your complaint. The market CAN'T find a solution to this. It's had 16 years since HillaryCare failed, and things have gotten worse by every possible measure.

But you live in horror and fear the government MIGHT fix it, and suddenly, capitalists will be tolerated, not lionized.

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But you live in horror and fear the government MIGHT fix it, and suddenly, capitalists will be tolerated, not lionized.

You may be on to something there. I mean think about it, the last thing Republicans want to see is Obama succeed in making significant health refrorms, particularly if those health care reforms actually come to be seen in retospect as having improved the situation. What a disaster that would be for future Republican presidential candidates.

Quote (RomanLion @ Aug. 14 2009, 8:41 pm)

Quote (Corwin8 @ Aug. 14 2009, 6:47 am) Quote (RomanLion @ Aug. 14 2009, 5:55 am) But you support this system (and yes, you do, because you fight tooth an nail against changing it), even though it actually penalizes you. FAIL. I can go and find all the places I've said that I don't support the current bill. I don't think this bill and this plan are the right way to do it. I have agreed that change is needed, not this bill. Get it right. Of course feel free to mock and misquote me. I don't care. Not this bill, because it's the Gubmit, gosh darn it... let's be honest, that's your complaint. The market CAN'T find a solution to this. It's had 16 years since HillaryCare failed, and things have gotten worse by every possible measure. But you live in horror and fear the government MIGHT fix it, and suddenly, capitalists will be tolerated, not lionized.

I'd love him to fix healthcare, but based on his track record so far, I find the fix he has planned will be too expensive and reduce the quality of care.

I fear the sheeple like you who belive the same government who couldn't run the Cash For Clunkers program, a little itty bitty 1 billion, now 3 billion dollar program are now going to run healthcare.

If they can't manage and project the demand for a plan this simple and easy, why would you trust them to run something that could cost you your very life?

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Quote (Corwin8 @ Aug. 14 2009, 10:40 pm)

I'd love him to fix healthcare, but based on his track record so far, I find the fix he has planned will be too expensive and reduce the quality of care. I fear the sheeple like you who belive the same government who couldn't run the Cash For Clunkers program, a little itty bitty 1 billion, now 3 billion dollar program are now going to run healthcare. If they can't manage and project the demand for a plan this simple and easy, why would you trust them to run something that could cost you your very life? BAAA, BAAAA, BAAAAA.

You keep going on about Cash for Clunkers, but actually, it's acheiving what it set out to do.  It's gotten inefficent vehicles off the road and boosted the sales of new cars. Yes, it's going to cost maybe three billion instead of the intended one, but it'll generate ten times that in auto sales, fuel savings, etc.  It'll be paying dividends down the road for years.

The fact  is the government ALREADY runs healthcare. It runs Medicaid, Medicare, the VA, SCHIP, etc.  And for the most part, it does as good or better a job than private insurance does. For instance, Medicaid only has an administrative overhead of 3%, while Private insurance has an overhead of 30% for administration and profits.