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Would VOYAGER have been the same without Kes?

CommanderSTRONG

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Report this Aug. 10 2009, 3:22 am

This is a tricky one. I think Kes got better as the series went on. I don't really like the seasons 1-2, but beyond that her character improved, especially looked a lot more 'appealing'.

Towards 7 of 9's entry, she was great...shame they got rid of her then - she could've lasted a bit longer.

As far as having an influence on Star Trek in general, I don't think she made much of a difference - ever seen her at Star Trek conventions??????!!!! No, that's a SERIOUS question.  :O  I've never been to one - from UK here.

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Report this Aug. 10 2009, 4:09 am

Voyager would have been much better with Kes. She's a great character who contributed a lot to the show.

In fact, she personified the spirit of Star Trek with her will to explore and learn, a spirit which was sadly lost after they dumped her.

Kes is Star Trek's most under-rated character.

RedShirtGuyNumber1001

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Report this Aug. 10 2009, 5:52 am

Not to anger you Lynx, but I saw Kes as such a minor character for the majority of her stay on Voyager that I saw her almost as non essential. ¿I don't blame that on the actress as I think a lot of Kes haters tend to do (which is beyond me because an actor doesn't write the script). ¿I just think that the writers kept saying...uhhhhh....ummmm....uhhhhh...what do we do. ¿People have often mentioned that Lein might have a drug problem due to how she acts at ST conventions, maybe she had one as early as then, of course that is also peoples opinions and not specifically known as facts, but I often wondered what explained her dramatic switch from being so strong early on in season 1 to acting very child like for the rest of the majority of her time on Voyager.

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Report this Aug. 10 2009, 11:08 am

I don't feel Kes added much to Voyager over all, so her not being on it wouldn't be a great loss.
There were no lasting ramifications with her gone and the on screen crew didn't even miss her.

RedShirtGuyNumber1001

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Report this Aug. 10 2009, 11:40 am

Well I think the crew moved on and had bigger fish to fry at that moment.

Admiral_JTK

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Report this Aug. 10 2009, 12:08 pm

Quote (CommanderSTRONG @ Aug. 10 2009, 3:22 am)
Would VOYAGER have been the same without Kes?

No, it would not be the same.....it would have been BETTER

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Report this Aug. 10 2009, 2:33 pm

I started rewatching my VOY dvd's earlier this year, and I just started season 4. That said, I think there's definitely a different feel to show with Kes gone. Not necessarily better or worse, just different.

I was never a Kes-hater, but did feel she was pretty mediocre. Having started visiting these boards around the time I started rewatching, I've been paying extra attention to Kes since I didn't understand why she was so polarizing a character; I still don't see it. Lien was a pretty good actress I think; moreso than Mulgrew at times. There were definitely Janeway lines that seemed forced or poorly delivered; of course that went away as the show progressed. However Lien was very believable as Kes right from the beginning. And while Kes-centric episodes were few and far between, I think they were all pretty good. Not the best VOY had to offer, but not the worst either. Even 'Warlord'  :cool: .

Enought rambling. To answer the question, no, Voyager would not have been the same. It may have been better, it may have been worse; we'll never know because the fact of the matter is Kes did exist for 3 seasons, and that's what we have.

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Report this Aug. 10 2009, 5:06 pm

It would have been different.  But I don't think it would have been either better or worse.  I just don't see her having that big an impact on the show.

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Report this Aug. 10 2009, 6:02 pm

It's hard to imagine the show without her in the first season. I really liked Caretaker and can't imagine it any different, except perhaps the hillbilly parts (no offense to hillbillies that may be lurking, ok Damar?) :laugh:

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Report this Aug. 10 2009, 6:10 pm

Boy this is a dangerous thread LOL.

I think Kes filled a role for the first couple seasons, but I just think that her character was a poorly developed concept.   Seems to me that a race that only lives nine years and can only mate once, is destined to die off eventually.  Plus I did not like her super powers in the later seasons she was on.

The actress did her job, so it is not her fault, it was just not a character that left a lot to be developed.  I just never really had much affinity towards the Kes character versus many of the other characters in Voyager.

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Report this Aug. 10 2009, 6:47 pm

Kes brought class to Voyager. She got the series off to a great start.

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Report this Aug. 10 2009, 7:21 pm

Quote (Lynx677 @ Aug. 09 2009, 5:09 am)
Voyager would have been much better with Kes. She's a great character who contributed a lot to the show.

In fact, she personified the spirit of Star Trek with her will to explore and learn, a spirit which was sadly lost after they dumped her.

Kes is Star Trek's most under-rated character.

I disagree. Voyager would have been MUCH better without Kes ever being on the show. Kes was a lousy character and Lien is a bad actor. Kes is Star Trek's worst character.

Lynx677

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Report this Aug. 11 2009, 7:07 am

Quote (Josh_Lyman @ Aug. 09 2009, 8:21 pm)
Quote (Lynx677 @ Aug. 09 2009, 5:09 am)
Voyager would have been much better with Kes. She's a great character who contributed a lot to the show.

In fact, she personified the spirit of Star Trek with her will to explore and learn, a spirit which was sadly lost after they dumped her.

Kes is Star Trek's most under-rated character.

I disagree. Voyager would have been MUCH better without Kes ever being on the show. Kes was a lousy character and Lien is a bad actor. Kes is Star Trek's worst character.

How old are you actually?

RedShirtGuyNumber1001

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Report this Aug. 11 2009, 9:57 am

lets stay on topic this time evem though this thread is becoming a bit repetitive.....didn't all of the other kes hater threads discuss this?

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Report this Aug. 11 2009, 10:27 am

Quote (RedShirtGuyNumber1001 @ Aug. 11 2009, 9:57 am)
lets stay on topic this time evem though this thread is becoming a bit repetitive.....didn't all of the other kes hater threads discuss this?

Why have k3ss threads at all?
While I have seen discussions of this same sort pre-date me, I've been around trek boards for roughly 6 or more years, and aside from sickeningly-sweet k3ss-specific worshiping shrines, Barely ever a discussion about her goes by that doesnt get ugly - and does so because of him. Trust me - we are not the only board with people in it who'd love to run him through with a pike from groin through the top of his head and let him rot. This is his patterned behavior to specifically target k3ss discussions knowing full well that his mere presence alone is enough to make people wretch.

The only problems that occur, happen only when he posts after he detects one on his k3ss-dar. If k3ss threads dont exist, he has nothing to talk about, because he doesnt talk about anything else, nor engage in other discussion in any other forum...

When I made a topic in another forum having nothing to do with k3ss and had a title that had nothing to do with her, but the discussion was all about her, he didnt show up.....and guess what? Everyone was able to have a actual Voyager discussion without him or any of his bullshit.

He literally Lurx4k3ssThreds at multiple boards and only posts when he finds one. Its some personal crusade of his to spread his love for her, and battle all those who oppose the love......Its quite disturbing and disgusting really.

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