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X-Wing fighter vs Klingon Bird Of Prey

> id="QUOTE">and Darth Vadar has nothing left to loose as far as being assimulated!

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Report this Aug. 11 2009, 3:23 pm

Quote (Ali88 @ Aug. 11 2009, 12:04 pm)
Star Wars is more powerful than Star Trek?


NO IT ISN'T!


The Q Continnium alone is more powerful and much more complex than "The Force" or any other shit in Star Wars

I'm being sarcastic that there are people on this forum saying star wars ships (a fighter) can cream a starship from trek. That's hogwash.

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Report this Aug. 11 2009, 6:44 pm

> id="QUOTE"> border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (Lucifer_ @ Aug. 11 2009, 12:07 am)> id="QUOTE"> border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (usscalvery @ Aug. 10 2009, 9:22 pm)> id="QUOTE">How about Darth Vadar Vrs the Borg???
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What does that have to do with anything?

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A shambling Borg Zombie would have to get within arms reach of the Sith Lord, and he would make cat food out of any Borg that stumbled in his path.

:eyesroll:
cuz there are many trekkies that have ignored the data and just have become rapid fanboys that only hear information that helps their side.

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Report this Aug. 11 2009, 8:38 pm

Let's face it. The Klingon BOP just has more firepower and is manned by a race of beings that is simply "meaner" than a clone.

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Report this Aug. 11 2009, 8:43 pm

Quote (usscalvery @ Aug. 10 2009, 9:22 pm)
How about Darth Vadar Vrs the Borg??? You have the unfair advantage of the Force, and Darth Vadar has nothing left to loose as far as being assimulated! The X wings would loose!!!

Let's match apples to apples: Death Star vs the Xindi Planet Destroyer.

Judging from the graphics, the Xindi Planet Destroyer blew a planet into smithereens a lot better. ¿And the Xindi Planet Destroyer packed much more firepower in a smaller size. The Death Star had to be made moon sized consuming a lot of Empire resources to build! No wonder it took years to build.

:laugh:

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Report this Aug. 12 2009, 6:35 am

Quote (Lucifer_ @ Aug. 10 2009, 6:59 pm)
Superior firepower and hyperdrive seal the deal on this one. It's not even close to a fair fight.

Don't even start with the "no lasers" crap. :bored:

really?

It seems like no matter what ST has, SW always seems to 'win' in these vs. threads.

Like the argument that Fett's ship could p'wn a Galaxy class, for example. And now this - a single X-wing could defeat a BoP..sheesh!

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Report this Aug. 12 2009, 10:45 am

Quote (LtCmdrHanson @ Aug. 12 2009, 6:35 am)
Quote (Lucifer_ @ Aug. 10 2009, 6:59 pm)
Superior firepower and hyperdrive seal the deal on this one. It's not even close to a fair fight.

Don't even start with the "no lasers" crap. :bored:

really?

It seems like no matter what ST has, SW always seems to 'win' in these vs. threads.

Like the argument that Fett's ship could p'wn a Galaxy class, for example. And now this - a single X-wing could defeat a BoP..sheesh!

it's asinine I tell you.

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Report this Aug. 12 2009, 6:47 pm

Quote (tribblenator999 @ Aug. 12 2009, 3:45 pm)
Quote (LtCmdrHanson @ Aug. 12 2009, 6:35 am)
Quote (Lucifer_ @ Aug. 10 2009, 6:59 pm)
Superior firepower and hyperdrive seal the deal on this one. It's not even close to a fair fight.

Don't even start with the "no lasers" crap. :bored:

really?

It seems like no matter what ST has, SW always seems to 'win' in these vs. threads.

Like the argument that Fett's ship could p'wn a Galaxy class, for example. And now this - a single X-wing could defeat a BoP..sheesh!

it's asinine I tell you.

Let's be fair though - there was a thread only a week or so ago pitting a single Borg Cube against the Death Star; the size and armament difference between a single Cube and a moon-sized space station with a planet destroying superweapon is far greater than the X-wing vs Bird of Prey match-up - and despite this, just over 50% of the people voting thought that the Borg would win!

You have to remember when pitting Star Wars against Star Trek (or at least the Federation against the Republic/Empire) you're trying to compare a pacifistic civilisation with several centuries experience of interstellar travel whose territory covers part of one quarter of the galaxy against a militaristic civilisation with 25 millennia's experience of interstellar travel whose territory covers two thirds of the galaxy; it shouldn't be surprising that Star Wars comes out on top most of the time.

Regarding the Bird of Prey vs X-Wing, the X-Wing is smaller, faster and more manoevrable (not surprisingly, as it's a one man fighter); it has a big advantage in that the Bird of Prey will find it difficult to target due to its evasive capabilities. If the X-Wing has weapons that can damage the Bird of Prey (such as proton torpedos or other anti-capital ship ordinance), then the Bird of Prey is in trouble and may well lose as it's fighting something difficult to hit but which can hurt it in return.

That something smaller but more advanced can destroy something larger but less advanced should not be regarded as improbable in sci-fi - a single Xeelee Nightfigther, a one-man fighter from an advanced race in the Xeelee Sequence series, could defeat the entire Star Wars galaxy; a single Arisian Elder, a member of an advanced race from the Lensman series, could defeat the entire Star Wars and Star Trek galaxies (including the Q) with it's mental powers without even having to move from whatever planet it was on.

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Report this Aug. 12 2009, 7:02 pm

Quote (chr3335 @ Aug. 09 2009, 8:58 pm)
There are two "the Survivors where a 400 GW blast takes down the enterprise-D shields. ¿

Then another episodes where two sides of a war are using lasers and Picard refuses to take the Enterprise there saying he doesn't want to put his ship at risk if the enterprise was immune to laser why would he say that?

The argument is flawed in the fact that is says regardless of the laser's strength even if the lasers out put is higher than the shield strength. ¿As to the borg didn't the cutting laser take out the shields?

Here we go again.....

Does anyone actually watch Star Trek?

In the Episode the Survivors it wasn't a real ship that attacked the Enterprise, so how do you know for sure if that would happen in a real battle?

Picard wasn't worried about their lasers.
Would a tank commander give me a second glance if I stood before his Tank with a pistol? NO but how would he know that I did not have a molotov coctail behind my back?
think about it  ;)



The sheilds were drained first.

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Report this Aug. 13 2009, 2:58 am

Quote (captbates @ Aug. 12 2009, 7:02 pm)
In the Episode the Survivors it wasn't a real ship that attacked the Enterprise, so how do you know for sure if that would happen in a real battle?

The phantom Husnok battlecruiser was real enough to deliver measurable damage to the Enterprise (400 gigawatts IIRC), a fact you've completely overlooked.

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The sheilds were drained first.


He's right; if you're talking about the Borg laser slicing into the Ent-D in "Q Who" the Borg deployed a shield draining weapon before they carved the saucer. IIRC, Worf was even calling out percentages as the Borg also locked a tractor beam.

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Report this Aug. 13 2009, 5:42 pm

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The phantom Husnok battlecruiser was real enough to deliver measurable damage to the Enterprise (400 gigawatts IIRC), a fact you've completely overlooked.


The "Douwd", Kevin Uxbridge was controlling the entire situation, so we don't know how real the encounter was. Sure there was damage done to the Enterprise but whos to say it's relevant to a real battle?

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Report this Aug. 13 2009, 5:46 pm

Quote (Vorta_the_point @ Aug. 12 2009, 6:47 pm)
Quote (tribblenator999 @ Aug. 12 2009, 3:45 pm)
Quote (LtCmdrHanson @ Aug. 12 2009, 6:35 am)
Quote (Lucifer_ @ Aug. 10 2009, 6:59 pm)
Superior firepower and hyperdrive seal the deal on this one. It's not even close to a fair fight.

Don't even start with the "no lasers" crap. :bored:

really?

It seems like no matter what ST has, SW always seems to 'win' in these vs. threads.

Like the argument that Fett's ship could p'wn a Galaxy class, for example. And now this - a single X-wing could defeat a BoP..sheesh!

it's asinine I tell you.

Let's be fair though - there was a thread only a week or so ago pitting a single Borg Cube against the Death Star; the size and armament difference between a single Cube and a moon-sized space station with a planet destroying superweapon is far greater than the X-wing vs Bird of Prey match-up - and despite this, just over 50% of the people voting thought that the Borg would win!

You have to remember when pitting Star Wars against Star Trek (or at least the Federation against the Republic/Empire) you're trying to compare a pacifistic civilisation with several centuries experience of interstellar travel whose territory covers part of one quarter of the galaxy against a militaristic civilisation with 25 millennia's experience of interstellar travel whose territory covers two thirds of the galaxy; it shouldn't be surprising that Star Wars comes out on top most of the time.

Regarding the Bird of Prey vs X-Wing, the X-Wing is smaller, faster and more manoevrable (not surprisingly, as it's a one man fighter); it has a big advantage in that the Bird of Prey will find it difficult to target due to its evasive capabilities. If the X-Wing has weapons that can damage the Bird of Prey (such as proton torpedos or other anti-capital ship ordinance), then the Bird of Prey is in trouble and may well lose as it's fighting something difficult to hit but which can hurt it in return.

That something smaller but more advanced can destroy something larger but less advanced should not be regarded as improbable in sci-fi - a single Xeelee Nightfigther, a one-man fighter from an advanced race in the Xeelee Sequence series, could defeat the entire Star Wars galaxy; a single Arisian Elder, a member of an advanced race from the Lensman series, could defeat the entire Star Wars and Star Trek galaxies (including the Q) with it's mental powers without even having to move from whatever planet it was on.

now I know you're bs'ing me. How do you defeat the Q???!?! It's like how do you defeat GOD.

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Report this Aug. 13 2009, 6:02 pm

well we find that other Q can kill Q in Voyager (hell the voyager crew holds a few hostage with a musket) I assume you just have a being with similar or greater power (and yes there are beings in Sci Fi more powerful than the Q)

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Report this Aug. 13 2009, 6:11 pm

Exactly - you have to remember that according to the suicidal Q, the Q are not omnipotent, they just like to give that impression with their advanced level of technology.

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Report this Aug. 13 2009, 6:30 pm

Quote (chr3335 @ Aug. 12 2009, 11:02 pm)
well we find that other Q can kill Q in Voyager (hell the voyager crew holds a few hostage with a musket) I assume you just have a being with similar or greater power (and yes there are beings in Sci Fi more powerful than the Q)

The "musket" you refer to in voyager was anything but. The entire scenario was played out on a level that the Voyager crew could understand.

From what we know of the Q, please tell me who in Sci-Fi is more powerful, and explain why.

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Report this Aug. 13 2009, 6:33 pm

Quote (Vorta_the_point @ Aug. 12 2009, 11:11 pm)
Exactly - you have to remember that according to the suicidal Q, the Q are not omnipotent, they just like to give that impression with their advanced level of technology.

Technology? I think you've got the Q mixed up with someone else.

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