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02x03 - Elementary, My Dear Data

stewdick

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Report this Aug. 04 2009, 12:45 am

On the surface, this is just another holodeck-run-amuck episode, but it has a deeper question: what is reasoning?

Dr. Pulaski accuses Data of being a fraud because he's only recognizing things he's seen before, and he responds by saying that's the very definition of reasoning and deduction.

What do you guys think?

I agree with Data. I mean, every time you do anything you are calling on things you've seen before. For example, writing this post I'm merely rearranging words that I've seen before. There's nothing truly "original" about it.

Khoufu_Khorushu

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Report this Aug. 05 2009, 7:12 pm

I totally agree, 'reasoning' is always based on what you've seen before and/or what you know.

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Report this Nov. 15 2010, 9:20 am

Possibly a silly question ... but why, when Data has Moriarty's sketch of the Enterprise, does it continue to exist outside the holodeck?


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Report this Nov. 16 2010, 7:04 am

I think that you are quite correct. It was a false and foolish call on Pulaski's part... everything we see, think, and do in life is at least partially based on recall. It would be like telling an athlete that he is a fraud because he is basing his performance on techniques or strategy that he has previously learned. It simply does not make sense.


Now, I do understand the doctor's point... what she was trying to say is "You've read the books already, so you already know what's going to happen. How is that fair competition?" If she had, perhaps, worded it differently, she could have had a firmer argument.


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Report this Nov. 16 2010, 7:07 am

Quote: Prasutagus @ Nov. 15 2010, 9:20 am

Possibly a silly question ... but why, when Data has Moriarty's sketch of the Enterprise, does it continue to exist outside the holodeck?



Ahh... good catch. Unless it was drawn on "real" paper, then it cannot continue to exist... otherwise, it is a hologram.

But then again, the drawing on the "real" paper would disappear too, because it is also a hologram. Hmm...

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Report this Nov. 26 2010, 5:52 am

Okay, first Paulaski was always so mean to Data. He never did anything to her before she was mean. She just had a problem with him. But yes, I am simply just repeating the typing of these words. But what she probally meant was that he needed a challenge that he didn't know the resolution-and how to get to it. Someone just wrote a bad script line.


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Report this Nov. 26 2010, 8:58 pm

For reasoning to be logical, it must be based upon something that already exists; otherwise, it is pure fancy. Aren't both deductive and inductive reasoning based upon assumptions from a previously stated or assumed condtion? Logic must connect the present with the past, almost by definition.

Var Miklama--Zakdorn, engineer. "A sound mind in a FULL body!" "Time, like latinum, is a limited quantity in the galaxy."

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