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100 Storm troopers vs 100 Borg drones

Camorite

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Report this Oct. 04 2010, 6:15 pm

You used it as an example of Borg adapting to physical attacks however when the borg "adapt" to something they become immune to it.


I another debate i might agree with that statement, but not when we are dealing with a race that is half machine.


The borg do not adapt to the energy they adapt to the frequency of the weapons not the power of weapon itself.


And yet isn't all energy detectable at some sort of frequency, whether it be an audiable frequency, or visual frequency, or some frequency that the human body cannot detect.


Actually they are hit by holograms programed to act exactly like .45 caliber rounds


It don't matter if they were hit by holographic bullets, they were still holographic, and therefore were made up of energy.


Seeing as we have other holograms that act like real objects and even have holographic food that is for all intents and purposes real food (basically replicated food) so I fail to see how you can say they are energy.


Simple, could Picard have left the Holodeck and used the tommy gun on the rest of the drones that he passed on the way there? NO, becuase the gun would have dissapeared the moment that he left the room. Yes it has mass, yes it is lethal, and yes it took out two drones, but in the end it was still a fictional device, based on a real life device, created by the holodecks computer that would have been less effective in the real world, outside the holodeck, then i Picard had stood in front of those drones and yelled "DROP DEAD"!


Sorry if you make up a theory and you can not back it up with something from canon then it is nothing more than speculation that is useless in a debate on the facts.


I have backed up at least 90% of what i have said with actual canon evidence, you just won't accept it.


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Report this Oct. 07 2010, 7:07 pm

I think that it would be a close fight, but only to an extent. Have you actually seen a stormtrooper's accuracy?? Or should i say alleged accuracy? I think Borg would win, unless they faced elite troops, such as ARC Troopers or Commandoes(501st or other), in which case the commandoes/ARCs would win.

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Report this Oct. 11 2010, 2:38 pm

I another debate i might agree with that statement, but not when we are dealing with a race that is half machine.  Every time we hear the borg have adapted to something in the show it means they have become immune to it so I fail to see where the disagreement is?


 


And yet isn't all energy detectable at some sort of frequency, whether it be an audiable frequency, or visual frequency, or some frequency that the human body cannot detect.  What is the frequency of a MMA fighter punch?  What is the frequency of a car hitting a wall at 60 mph?  What is the frequency of a bullet with a starting muzzle velocity of 200m/s?  So not all forms of engery have frequency please try to remember basic physics when debating this stuff.


 


It don't matter if they were hit by holographic bullets, they were still holographic, and therefore were made up of energy.  But they were hit by kenetic energy not DET and besides we have more than enough proof from the show that holographic items in the holodeck are physically real enough to cause the same phsyical injuries as a "real" object.  And actually the bullets were less holograms and more tiny forcefields made to act like bullets.


Simple, could Picard have left the Holodeck and used the tommy gun on the rest of the drones that he passed on the way there? NO, becuase the gun would have dissapeared the moment that he left the room. Yes it has mass, yes it is lethal, and yes it took out two drones, but in the end it was still a fictional device, based on a real life device, created by the holodecks computer that would have been less effective in the real world, outside the holodeck, then i Picard had stood in front of those drones and yelled "DROP DEAD"!  So what you are saying is that nothing in the holodeck is real reguadless of the fact that we see the drones die as if they were hit from real bullets?


 


I have backed up at least 90% of what i have said with actual canon evidence, you just won't accept it.  What evidence you basically have said the borg can adapt to kentic energy attacks because you said so.


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Report this Oct. 12 2010, 1:58 pm

Every time we hear the borg have adapted to something in the show it means they have become immune to it so I fail to see where the disagreement is?


Call it whatever you want then, but by calling it an immunity it makes it sound like they are dealing with a virus and not an offensive weapon.


What is the frequency of a MMA fighter punch?  What is the frequency of a car hitting a wall at 60 mph?  What is the frequency of a bullet with a starting muzzle velocity of 200m/s?  So not all forms of engery have frequency please try to remember basic physics when debating this stuff.


All of those examples are irrelavant to this debate as they do not deal with energy based weapons, nor are they the type of enrgy that i was refering to (not debating that they are not forms of energy, but i was refering to other forms).


 But they were hit by kenetic energy not DET and besides we have more than enough proof from the show that holographic items in the holodeck are physically real enough to cause the same phsyical injuries as a "real" object.  And actually the bullets were less holograms and more tiny forcefields made to act like bullets.


Maybe so, but in the end they are still nothing but energy. However, I suggest that we just drop this one, as, though still a valid point, it has the potential to become a very heated debate.


So what you are saying is that nothing in the holodeck is real reguadless of the fact that we see the drones die as if they were hit from real bullets?


Did i say that? did i indicate that? the answer is no to both of them. In fact i even stated that they were effective enough, while on the holodeck, and agianst two drones. Had more entered the room i seriously doubt that it would have continued to work.


 What evidence you basically have said the borg can adapt to kentic energy attacks because you said so.


NO becuase it is both logical and makes common sence that they can adapt to those kind of attacks. besides there is not enough canon informtion to conclusivley say who is right. Sure you people have the tommygun scene, but we have also seen that it takes anywhere from 1 to 12 drones to adapt to a weapon. So until they show more then 12 drones being taken out by a projectile weapon then i will continue to argue that that perticulare scene is nothing but BS.


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Report this Oct. 12 2010, 4:57 pm

The borg all the way. They can adapt to anything.

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Report this Oct. 24 2010, 1:20 pm

Well the storm Troopers would shoot everywhere but miss the Borg drones

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