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ENT567

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Report this Aug. 21 2009, 3:22 am

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Quote (Vice_Adm_Baxter @ Aug. 20 2009 @ 6:29 pm)
The story is definately interesting, its just that web looked amazingly cheap. It's the ONLY cheap looking set used on ENT IMO.
It does lack...Well, they couldn't get the whole thing to move like a sentient creature, and we had to be satisfied with the well-placed CGI tentacle and the actors moving within it.

Imo, that set was not so bad.
The one of "slave market" in the first ep of the Augments arc looks "cheaper".

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Report this Aug. 21 2009, 6:49 am

Quote (Yanks @ Posted: Aug. 21 2009, 6:29 am)
Love this scene in that arc...

Yes, that scene is good, and there are many other good scenes too.

I mean, only the sets of that slave market look kinda "cheap" imo, more cheap than any other set on ENT.

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Report this Aug. 21 2009, 7:19 am

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Quote (ENT567 @ Aug. 21 2009, 6:49 am)
Quote (Yanks @ Posted: Aug. 21 2009, 6:29 am)
Love this scene in that arc...

Yes, that scene is good, and there are many other good scenes too.

I mean, only the sets of that slave market look kinda "cheap" imo, more cheap than any other set on ENT.

I thikn they were intended to look that way. I'm sure the Orions value $$$ enough so they don't care what there "markets" look like.

I thought the Orion slave market was suitably dark and gritty and unkempt.

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Report this Aug. 21 2009, 7:24 am

Quote (Yanks @ Aug. 21 2009, 7:21 am)
Quote (grigori @ Aug. 21 2009, 7:19 am)
Quote (Yanks @ Aug. 21 2009, 7:13 am)
Quote (ENT567 @ Aug. 21 2009, 6:49 am)
Quote (Yanks @ Posted: Aug. 21 2009, 6:29 am)
Love this scene in that arc...

Yes, that scene is good, and there are many other good scenes too.

I mean, only the sets of that slave market look kinda "cheap" imo, more cheap than any other set on ENT.

I thikn they were intended to look that way. I'm sure the Orions value $$$ enough so they don't care what there "markets" look like.

I thought the Orion slave market was suitably dark and gritty and unkempt.

On purpose I think...

yeh, "suitably" and intentionally.

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Report this Aug. 21 2009, 12:05 pm

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Quote (Thyla @ Aug. 19 2009, 10:08 pm)
Nothing is perfect. As much as I enjoyed this season, there were things that didn't work for me. Take it or leave it...

But as I said - overall - high marks.

You mentioned the "low budget shows." Just curious. Which shows in particular?

Um, no - I meant that the lack of budget showed. I watched this season simultaneously with a friend of mine & he came to the same conclusion. To both of us, the sets & costumes just didn't look very convincing. Of course there are some great space shots (CGI) and a few nice things like the Andorian ship bridge etc. I was just saying - for me - it looked like a rush job. The Xindi costumes in particular were a huge disappointment - I didn't see much internal logic or thought in them. The last three seasons of TNG, DS9 & Voyager all shared a very impressive 'look', which I felt this season lacked.

If you don't agree - terrific. Enjoy! That's the whole point of entertainment. I've said everything I have to say in this thread now - good show, great season, will surely tune into season four at some point. A few complaints, but nothing major.

Have fun guys & gals!

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Report this Aug. 21 2009, 12:43 pm

Thanks for the explanation Thyla. I wasn't commenting on your opinion. I thought you were writing about specific episodes and I was curious about which ones.

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Report this Aug. 21 2009, 2:42 pm

Quote (Thyla @ Aug. 21 2009, 12:05 pm)
Quote (whyaduck @ Aug. 19 2009, 10:20 pm)
Quote (Thyla @ Aug. 19 2009, 10:08 pm)
Nothing is perfect. As much as I enjoyed this season, there were things that didn't work for me. Take it or leave it...

But as I said - overall - high marks.

You mentioned the "low budget shows." Just curious. Which shows in particular?

Um, no - I meant that the lack of budget showed. I watched this season simultaneously with a friend of mine & he came to the same conclusion. To both of us, the sets & costumes just didn't look very convincing. Of course there are some great space shots (CGI) and a few nice things like the Andorian ship bridge etc. I was just saying - for me - it looked like a rush job. The Xindi costumes in particular were a huge disappointment - I didn't see much internal logic or thought in them. The last three seasons of TNG, DS9 & Voyager all shared a very impressive 'look', which I felt this season lacked.

If you don't agree - terrific. Enjoy! That's the whole point of entertainment. I've said everything I have to say in this thread now - good show, great season, will surely tune into season four at some point. A few complaints, but nothing major.

Have fun guys & gals!

You may be right about the Xindi costumes.
The Xindi-Reptilian costumes were reused Reman costumes from Nemesis with a few minor touch-ups.

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Report this Aug. 21 2009, 2:58 pm

Quote (RomulusRemus @ Aug. 21 2009, 2:42 pm)
You may be right about the Xindi costumes.
The Xindi-Reptilian costumes were reused Reman costumes from Nemesis with a few minor touch-ups.

That happens all the time in Star Trek as a cost savings move. Science Fiction is expensive to produce so these little things add up. If you watch come of the DVD extras of Enterprise you can see the them discuss this in some of the writer's and directors commentaries.

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Report this Aug. 21 2009, 3:07 pm

Paramount reused everything, and Trekkies are so observant that they notice. It kind of became a parlor game. The device that heals Malcolm's leg in "Dead Stop" is a TNG exocom.

I know on the commentary of "Similitude", Manny Coto says he envisioned the larvae that creates Sim to be a CGI effect. Didn't happen. But the fact that the larvae looked like a ball of cheese didn't bug me at all.

The low budget elements don't bother me much at all, as long as the story is there. I've seen plenty of huge budget films that look beautiful and have nothing that moves me. And I'd rather watch the relatively low budget "Best of Both Worlds" than the huge budget "First Contact" because the story is better.

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Report this Aug. 21 2009, 3:24 pm

;)

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Report this Aug. 21 2009, 4:02 pm

And of course they re-used the Romulan uniforms from Nemesis, too.

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Report this Aug. 21 2009, 8:04 pm

Quote (RomulusRemus @ Aug. 21 2009, 4:02 pm)
And of course they re-used the Romulan uniforms from Nemesis, too.

What I said. Just like Doctor Who...maybe not as gleefully blatant.

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Report this Aug. 21 2009, 8:48 pm

I have no problem with them reusing costumes/props/sets/set pieces from other shows or movies. It's a way to stay in budget and on schedule. I don't watch all the Trek shows (some I haven't watched in years), so I don't notice the reuse.

I've actually seen Nemesis recently and the Xindi costumes didn't bother me at all. I'm more interested in the story and the believability of the actors.

Look how hokey the costumes and sets (especially the planets they visited) were in TOS (even for the 60s), but the show was great and fans suspended disbelief because they enjoyed everything else about it.

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Report this Aug. 23 2009, 1:53 pm

Quote (honeybee1111 @ Aug. 21 2009, 3:07 pm)
Paramount reused everything, and Trekkies are so observant that they notice. It kind of became a parlor game. The device that heals Malcolm's leg in "Dead Stop" is a TNG exocom.

I know on the commentary of "Similitude", Manny Coto says he envisioned the larvae that creates Sim to be a CGI effect. Didn't happen. But the fact that the larvae looked like a ball of cheese didn't bug me at all.

The low budget elements don't bother me much at all, as long as the story is there. I've seen plenty of huge budget films that look beautiful and have nothing that moves me. And I'd rather watch the relatively low budget "Best of Both Worlds" than the huge budget "First Contact" because the story is better.

Good point. :logical:

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Report this Sep. 16 2009, 5:18 am

I guess, reusing stuff is quite natural for TV productions. It's always been there.

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