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Dr. Who vs. Spock

Commander_Zelkar

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Report this Jul. 28 2009, 3:15 pm

Think of a situation that would pit Spock vs. Dr. Who. Neither one has any resources other than their wits. Who would win?

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Report this Jul. 28 2009, 3:37 pm

Spock

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Report this Jul. 28 2009, 3:38 pm

I guess I should have set this up as a poll.

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Report this Jul. 28 2009, 3:47 pm

Spock. The doctor is good, but let see him access a tricoder using technology in the 1930's-1940's.

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Report this Jul. 28 2009, 3:58 pm

After seeing Galaxy Quest 2, I'm going to have to go with The Doctor. Quinto wouldn't use wit, he'd just choke the tricorder out of frustration and then toss it into a freezer. Nimoy's too old now to remember what a Tricorder is, much less how it works. Wit, post GQ2, does not apply to Spock.

The Doctor has crossed time and space and countless civilizations. He knows how space can be bigger on the inside of an object while space is smaller on the outside of that same object. To The Doctor - a tricorder would be like using his fingers to count. And he could probably have a conversation with the Guardian of Forever - which Spock in his prime couldn't do. In his own universe, The Doctor and the Time Lords would have built the Guardian of Forever.

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Report this Jul. 28 2009, 4:15 pm

Quote (lostshaker @ July 28 2009, 3:58 pm)
After seeing Galaxy Quest 2, I'm going to have to go with The Doctor. Quinto wouldn't use wit, he'd just choke the tricorder out of frustration and then toss it into a freezer. Nimoy's too old now to remember what a Tricorder is, much less how it works. Wit, post GQ2, does not apply to Spock.

The Doctor has crossed time and space and countless civilizations. He knows how space can be bigger on the inside of an object while space is smaller on the outside of that same object. To The Doctor - a tricorder would be like using his fingers to count. And he could probably have a conversation with the Guardian of Forever - which Spock in his prime couldn't do. In his own universe, The Doctor and the Time Lords would have built the Guardian of Forever.

What episode of Dr. Who has something similar to the Guardian of Forever that supports this?

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Report this Jul. 28 2009, 7:19 pm

Quote (BrotherofShran01 @ July 28 2009, 4:15 pm)
Quote (lostshaker @ July 28 2009, 3:58 pm)
After seeing Galaxy Quest 2, I'm going to have to go with The Doctor. Quinto wouldn't use wit, he'd just choke the tricorder out of frustration and then toss it into a freezer. Nimoy's too old now to remember what a Tricorder is, much less how it works. Wit, post GQ2, does not apply to Spock.

The Doctor has crossed time and space and countless civilizations. He knows how space can be bigger on the inside of an object while space is smaller on the outside of that same object. To The Doctor - a tricorder would be like using his fingers to count. And he could probably have a conversation with the Guardian of Forever - which Spock in his prime couldn't do. In his own universe, The Doctor and the Time Lords would have built the Guardian of Forever.

What episode of Dr. Who has something similar to the Guardian of Forever that supports this?

The Doctor has the TARDIS, which like the Guardian of Forever, can transport you anywhere, anytime. And the TARDIS was built by the Time Lords. So technically while the devices are different, the effects are the same - though the TARDIS actually travels from place to place and time to time while the Guardian remains on its own planet. However, to the Guardian's credit, you can magically jump back through the time portal. The TARDIS has also been said to be sentient like the Guardian.

If you're wanting a reference of a specific time portal similar or identical to the Guardian I'll be OH SO HAPPY do further research. Within the past year and a half I've become a Whovian - having watched the new series - but now I'm going back to watch the originals - all 26 series as best available since some episodes are missing.

Also, I reread my last post and admit to an undercurrent of animosity, but please understand it's not directed at you. I rather enjoy your posts, BrotherofShan01. I'm still very angry at Nimoy, and so my faith in Spock rests on the San Andreas Fault. I can only watch the original series once a week right now. Anyway, back to the discussion at hand.

Spock is roughly 150 and the Vulcan life span is roughly 200 years. The Doctor is over 900 years old, so he has over four times the life experience of a Vulcan - actually many times higher since the Doctor is more inquisitive and the Vulcans need a logical, pragmatic excuse to explore. Add to that, Vulcans didn't believe time travel was possible in the 22nd century and time travel wasn't common practice during Spock's time of being. The Time Lords had long since established their ability as their name implies.

The Doctor knows of the past and future, whereas Spock only has access to recorded past and that of first hand experience. The Doctor could actually and has actually gone and visited the past. Spock himself would say it is illogical for him to speak of something without record or not experienced, so the Doctor could one up him.

Also, Spock would present his information in a formal, logical, dry manner and he wouldn't really deviate from his style because of his Vulcan heritage. The Doctor, however, knows his audience and is adaptable. So he could deliver a response in a dry manner, an emotional manner, or with technobabble, whatever... but still have it make sense.

Even if I wasn't mad at Nimoy and considering the information above, I'd have to side with The Doctor. Truthfully, while Spock would be trying to access his tricorder the Doctor would just know how history was suppose to play out. There's been numerous examples of this. Off the top of my head is the episode "Bad Wolf" where he appears on the space station and knows that history has deviated.

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Report this Jul. 28 2009, 7:24 pm

On a side note, another conversation that would be interesting to listen in on would be one between Spock and Captain Jack - two characters that have both died, so now Spock has someone he can speak with who has that common frame of reference!

Though it still doesn't help McCoy...

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Report this Jul. 28 2009, 7:40 pm

Quote (lostshaker @ July 28 2009, 12:19 am)
Quote (BrotherofShran01 @ July 28 2009, 4:15 pm)
Quote (lostshaker @ July 28 2009, 3:58 pm)
After seeing Galaxy Quest 2, I'm going to have to go with The Doctor. Quinto wouldn't use wit, he'd just choke the tricorder out of frustration and then toss it into a freezer. Nimoy's too old now to remember what a Tricorder is, much less how it works. Wit, post GQ2, does not apply to Spock.

The Doctor has crossed time and space and countless civilizations. He knows how space can be bigger on the inside of an object while space is smaller on the outside of that same object. To The Doctor - a tricorder would be like using his fingers to count. And he could probably have a conversation with the Guardian of Forever - which Spock in his prime couldn't do. In his own universe, The Doctor and the Time Lords would have built the Guardian of Forever.

What episode of Dr. Who has something similar to the Guardian of Forever that supports this?

The Doctor has the TARDIS, which like the Guardian of Forever, can transport you anywhere, anytime. And the TARDIS was built by the Time Lords. So technically while the devices are different, the effects are the same - though the TARDIS actually travels from place to place and time to time while the Guardian remains on its own planet. However, to the Guardian's credit, you can magically jump back through the time portal. The TARDIS has also been said to be sentient like the Guardian.

If you're wanting a reference of a specific time portal similar or identical to the Guardian I'll be OH SO HAPPY do further research. Within the past year and a half I've become a Whovian - having watched the new series - but now I'm going back to watch the originals - all 26 series as best available since some episodes are missing. ¿

Also, I reread my last post and admit to an undercurrent of animosity, but please understand it's not directed at you. I rather enjoy your posts, BrotherofShan01. I'm still very angry at Nimoy, and so my faith in Spock rests on a the San Andreas Fault. I can only watch the original series once a week right now. Anyway, back to the discussion at hand.

Spock is roughly 150 and the Vulcan life span is roughly 200 years. The Doctor is over 900 years old, so he has over four times the life experience of a Vulcan - actually many times higher since the Doctor is more inquisitive and the Vulcans need a logical, pragmatic excuse to explore. Add to that, Vulcans didn't believe time travel was possible in the 22nd century and time travel wasn't common practice during Spock's time of being. The Time Lords had long since established their ability as their name implies.

The Doctor knows of the past and future, whereas Spock only has access to recorded past and that of first hand experience. The Doctor could actually and has actually gone and visited the past. Spock himself would say it is illogical for him to speak of something without record or not experienced, so the Doctor could one up him. ¿

Also, Spock would present his information in a formal, logical, dry manner and he wouldn't really deviate from his style because of his Vulcan heritage. The Doctor, however, knows his audience and is adaptable. So he could deliver a response in a dry manner, an emotional manner, or with technobabble, whatever... but still have it make sense.

Even if I wasn't mad at Nimoy and considering the information above, I'd have to side with The Doctor. Truthfully, while Spock would be trying to access his tricorder the Doctor would just know how history was suppose to play out. There's been numerous examples of this. Off the top of my head is the episode "Bad Wolf" where he appears on the space station and knows that history has deviated.

So basically what your saying is that the TimeLord would have the edge, if time travel was involved...... well, duh!

This was the OP's question-
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Think of a situation that would pit Spock vs. Dr. Who. Neither one has any resources other than their wits. Who would win?


The Doctor may have been to the future (and the past) but he does not have infinite understanding and knowledge of everything that has, and will happen. He only knows if "history has deviated" because something/someone is out of place, anyone could know this if they had a tardis and "payed attention" to what was happening.

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Report this Jul. 28 2009, 8:38 pm

But if we're speaking to their characters, The Doctor's 900 years of experience includes all that time travel and contributes to his wit and knowledge. So even if you take away the TARDIS, that doesn't change the fact that he has centuries of time traveling experience and knowledge of countless civilizations within him.

The OP asked of a situation that would have them pitted against one another without any resources, only their wits.

This doesn't specify The Doctor never having previously used the TARDIS. And if it did, then his character would change and he wouldn't be The Doctor anymore, muting the argument at hand.

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Report this Jul. 28 2009, 8:41 pm

Which Doctor?

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Report this Jul. 28 2009, 10:12 pm

Quote (Commander_Zelkar @ July 28 2009, 3:15 pm)
Think of a situation that would pit Spock vs. Dr. Who. Neither one has any resources other than their wits. Who would win?

first of all never compare star trek to doctor who. Second never compare spock to dr. who. Why? Dr. Who is practically a god in a suit, spock can't compete with that.

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Report this Jul. 28 2009, 11:49 pm

Quote (tribblenator999 @ July 28 2009, 10:12 pm)
Quote (Commander_Zelkar @ July 28 2009, 3:15 pm)
Think of a situation that would pit Spock vs. Dr. Who. Neither one has any resources other than their wits. Who would win?

first of all never compare star trek to doctor who. Second never compare spock to dr. who. Why? Dr. Who is practically a god in a suit, spock can't compete with that.

Spock needs a good kick in the asteroids right now.

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Report this Jul. 29 2009, 9:48 am

Quote (tribblenator999 @ July 28 2009, 10:12 pm)
Quote (Commander_Zelkar @ July 28 2009, 3:15 pm)
Think of a situation that would pit Spock vs. Dr. Who. Neither one has any resources other than their wits. Who would win?

first of all never compare star trek to doctor who. Second never compare spock to dr. who. Why? Dr. Who is practically a god in a suit, spock can't compete with that.

Not really, Dr. Who has no supernatural powers, mainly just intelligence.

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Report this Jul. 29 2009, 10:04 am

To me this not worth talking about.
Both Spock and the good Doctor live in the here and now.
The new "Spock" is not to be used in this battle of wits for he is not the Spock we all think of as SPOCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In the here and now.
If you say the Doctor has live over nine hundred years and has that knowledge, fine.
Spock,through his "Katra" has ten times or more that knowledge to draw on.
The only question that remains is who has the discipline to find and use it in a timele manor :logical:

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