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The USS Kelvin Scene

PhantomCrunk007

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Report this Aug. 27 2009, 3:25 am

Quote (Captain_Storma @ Aug. 26 2009, 11:44 am)
Wow... some of you are extremely insulting.

I guess it is a long way to tolerance here... ?:logical: Sad, I thought we were TREK fans and would respect eachother's opinion, especially those of minorities. But well I was wrong.

Incoherent rants and nonsensical arguments do not merit tolerance.

Vger23

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Report this Aug. 27 2009, 8:32 am

Quote (axilmar1 @ Aug. 26 2009, 9:02 am)
The problem with this scene is that it serves no purpose other than to create an emotional response, unlike other moving moments in ST. It is a cheap attempt by the producers, just like a lot of other things in this movie.

Yet another reason why this movie is bad.

Are you trying to say that Spock's death wasn't meant to draw an emotional reaction? If that was the case, they would have had him disapear into a solid, walled-off chamber and Kirk would never have gotten the chance to see him or to communicate with him before he died.

Are you saying that David's death wasn't meant to draw an emotional reaction? Why kill a character at that point if not to draw upon emotion? Kirk's ship was disabled. The story didn't need an execution of a character to convince Kirk to "surrender" and destroy the Enterprise. They were already in a situation where that was likely the only option.

Are you saying that the destruction of the Enterprise wasn't meant to draw an emotional reaction? There was absolutely no STORY reason for destroying the Enterprise. The storyline for Trek III would have been identical if Kirk had brought Spock to Vulcan and restored his soul aboard the Enterprise.

Are you saying that crashing the Enterprise in GEN wasn't put in to create an emotional reaction? That served ABSOLUTELY no other purpose than to create shock and awe.

Are you saying that Data finding his cat and crying at the end of GEN was not put in to create an emotional reaction?

The list goes on and on. There's a reason television, theater, and movies are called "drama." The best scenes in any production are designed to successfully produce an emotional reaction. Music is structured to produce an emotional reaction. Poetry is structured to produce an emotional reaction.

Most entertainment is designed to make the viewer FEEL something.

The opening scene in Star Trek XI sets the stage for the events of the entire movie. It sets up the differences in the character of Kirk. It sets up the fact that Nero is from the future and is looking for Spock.

There are much MUCH more effective examples of "drama for the sake of drama" in Star Trek than this scene. It is almost universally agreed that this is one of the best scenes in the movie and amongst the best in all of the movies...and that's true even of people who didn't like the overall movie from what I've seen.

I'm not so sure you're standing on firm ground on this one.

rocketscientist

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Report this Aug. 27 2009, 5:25 pm

Quote (Vger23 @ Aug. 27 2009, 8:32 am)
There's a reason television, theater, and movies are called "drama." The best scenes in any production are designed to successfully produce an emotional reaction. Music is structured to produce an emotional reaction. Poetry is structured to produce an emotional reaction.

Most entertainment is designed to make the viewer FEEL something.

That's it right there. ¿That's the nature of art, to convey or provoke an emotional reaction or express an idea to the viewer, audience, reader, etc. ¿If a writer or an artist can't do that, then they've failed. ¿

I'm with SaturnsRings and Vger on this. ¿I've seen several films where I have not cared about the characters. ¿Some of them were interesting to watch but they left me cold. ¿

2001 is a film in that vein. ¿Fortunately, the ideas are interesting enough to carry that film (characters were never ever Arthur C Clarke's strong suit.  Also, in 2001, Kubrick didn't really want the characters to be that important).  There are some others. ¿

Largely though, most writers, whether it's novels, comics, television, or movies, want to create sympathetic characters that the audience can relate to. ¿Presenting obstacles for these characters, including having them face death, like Spock, Kirk, and Data, is what makes good drama, from the Greek tragedies, to Shakespeare, to the present day.

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Report this Aug. 27 2009, 5:29 pm

Quote (Captain_Storma @ Aug. 27 2009, 2:44 am)
Wow... some of you are extremely insulting.

I guess it is a long way to tolerance here... ?:logical: Sad, I thought we were TREK fans and would respect eachother's opinion, especially those of minorities. But well I was wrong.

Guys, let's all lay of Storma here.  He's a good, intelligent guy, who's a doctor who helps people and he deserves our respect, irregardless of his opinion on ST XI.  So, please, let's try to be cool to each other.  This is just a movie.  It's not religion or politics or anything heavy like that.

I'm sorry if you feel you've been treated badly Storma. :(

Narada

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Report this Aug. 27 2009, 6:02 pm

Good point ! We can all get along nice even when we disagree. People have strong opinions but we can all put it in perspective with courtesy and respect.

:cool:  :cool:

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Report this Aug. 28 2009, 11:41 am

A movie without emotional content is called a documentary and even documentaries often try to elicit an emotional response. It is ridiculous to suggest that a reason to hate STXI is because it used imagery, music and action to create an emotional response in it's audience...jeebus, that's what movies DO. Honestly axilmar, you are trying waaaay too hard to find reasons to hate this film and this one is the most laughable so far.

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Report this Aug. 28 2009, 12:21 pm

I love THX-1138 and I love Starship Troopers and Galaxy Quest and Star Trek. Sci-fi is about everything. To limit oneself to only sterile sci-fi is pretty sad and to say that sci-fi movies should not have emotions are a primary focus is just ridiculous.

I would be interested to hear from axilmar which sci-fi movies he considers to be worthy of his praise.

TWOK, TSFS and TVH are all full of emotions, does he also hate those films.

I can't believe that an intelligent person would wish for movies to have limited emotional impact.

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Report this Aug. 28 2009, 12:55 pm



The ancient Greek symbols of Comedy and Tragedy Masks indicate that all forms of artistic expression from the theater, movies, paintings to music all elicit our human emotions.

I expect, no, I demand that movies trigger emotions in me! Without the elicitations of emotions the cinema would be clinical, sterile, dull and boring.

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Report this Aug. 29 2009, 5:20 am

Quote (SaturnsRings @ Aug. 28 2009, 9:55 am)
Without the elicitations of emotions the cinema would be clinical, sterile, dull and boring.

Hey, no need to bring TMP into this!! :sarcastic:

SaturnsRings

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Report this Aug. 29 2009, 6:06 am

Quote (Unregistered_Guest @ Aug. 29 2009, 5:20 am)
Quote (SaturnsRings @ Aug. 28 2009, 9:55 am)
Without the elicitations of emotions the cinema would be clinical, sterile, dull and boring.

Hey, no need to bring TMP into this!! :sarcastic:

Lol! Although I do love TMP that was a good one!

The Ringo Kid

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Report this Jul. 21 2010, 9:00 am

This is an awesome scene!! The way it just puts you right in the middle of a sitiuation gone bad.  It really brings you into the movie. 


My favorite part of the scene is when there is just music, and the camera is panning across the USS Kelvin, amazing!!

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