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Do you consider Star Trek V a dream?

Ali88

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Report this Jul. 27 2009, 9:18 am

I think it's strongly hinted that the events of the movie is just a dream when Kirk, Spock and McCoy sing "row, row, row your boat" and Spock is puzzled by the "life is but a dream" lyric

And when the Enterprise reaches the Shakka-Ree planet, McCoy asks "are we dreaming"?

But if the movie is a dream, whose dream is it? Kirk's?

I think it would make the movie a masterpiece if the movie is a dream that Kirk, Spock and McCoy shared

captbates

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Report this Jul. 27 2009, 9:29 am

DUDE...........SERIOUSLY

Vice_Adm_Baxter

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Report this Jul. 27 2009, 9:38 am

IT'S NOT A FRACKIN DREAM!  :angry:

Ali88

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Report this Jul. 27 2009, 9:42 am

Quote (Vice_Adm_Baxter @ July 27 2009, 9:38 am)
IT'S NOT A FRACKIN DREAM! ¿:angry:

not with that attitude it's not  :angry:

Vger23

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Report this Jul. 27 2009, 9:44 am

No, but some of the posts on this board are a nightmare.

Ali88

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Report this Jul. 27 2009, 9:48 am

Quote (Vger23 @ July 27 2009, 9:44 am)
No, but some of the posts on this board are a nightmare.

ha ha

it's funny because it's true

exeter276

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Report this Jul. 27 2009, 9:52 am

Ok I'll bite. While I'll agree with the above posters that Star Trek V shouldn't be considered a dream, didn't Gene Roddenberry state somewhere that he doesn't consider this movie canon?

Vice_Adm_Baxter

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Report this Jul. 27 2009, 9:52 am

Quote (Ali88 @ July 27 2009, 6:48 am)
Quote (Vger23 @ July 27 2009, 9:44 am)
No, but some of the posts on this board are a nightmare.

ha ha

it's funny because it's true

So have you been having a TFF fetish as of late???

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Report this Jul. 27 2009, 9:54 am

Quote (exeter276 @ July 27 2009, 6:52 am)
Ok I'll bite. While I'll agree with the above posters that Star Trek V shouldn't be considered a dream, didn't Gene Roddenberry state somewhere that he doesn't consider this movie canon?

G.R. Wanted to decanonize TOS in favor of TNG at one point....

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Report this Jul. 27 2009, 9:55 am

Quote (exeter276 @ July 27 2009, 9:52 am)
Ok I'll bite. While I'll agree with the above posters that Star Trek V shouldn't be considered a dream, didn't Gene Roddenberry state somewhere that he doesn't consider this movie canon?

He stated that there were "elements he would consider apocryphal," which he also stated with regard to Star Trek VI.

Fortunately for all, Roddenberry was not calling the shots for Trek at that point, so his comments were simply "noted in the log" and every one just moved on.

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Report this Jul. 27 2009, 2:07 pm

Quote (Ali88 @ July 26 2009, 10:18 am)
I think it's strongly hinted that the events of the movie is just a dream when Kirk, Spock and McCoy sing "row, row, row your boat" and Spock is puzzled by the "life is but a dream" lyric

And when the Enterprise reaches the Shakka-Ree planet, McCoy asks "are we dreaming"?

But if the movie is a dream, whose dream is it? Kirk's?

I think it would make the movie a masterpiece if the movie is a dream that Kirk, Spock and McCoy shared

There's that word again being applied to a movie... "Masterpiece" AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! :cry:

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Report this Jul. 27 2009, 2:29 pm

I consider Abrams' movie a dream.....
A BAD dream.

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Report this Jul. 28 2009, 7:23 pm

Quote (exeter276 @ July 27 2009, 9:52 am)
Ok I'll bite. While I'll agree with the above posters that Star Trek V shouldn't be considered a dream, didn't Gene Roddenberry state somewhere that he doesn't consider this movie canon?

Roddenberry jokingly considered elements of this film to be "apocryphal at best", and particularly disliked the idea that Sarek had fathered a child (Sybok) with a Vulcan female before Amanda. Roddenberry made similar statements about elements of Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country. Nevertheless, both films are included in Trek canon.

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Report this Jul. 28 2009, 7:35 pm

Quote (Anyacat @ July 27 2009, 8:23 pm)
Quote (exeter276 @ July 27 2009, 9:52 am)
Ok I'll bite. While I'll agree with the above posters that Star Trek V shouldn't be considered a dream, didn't Gene Roddenberry state somewhere that he doesn't consider this movie canon?

Roddenberry jokingly considered elements of this film to be "apocryphal at best", and particularly disliked the idea that Sarek had fathered a child (Sybok) with a Vulcan female before Amanda. Roddenberry made similar statements about elements of Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country. Nevertheless, both films are included in Trek canon.

Do you know what he specifically didn't think was canon for Star Trek VI?

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Report this Jul. 28 2009, 7:52 pm

Quote (SpaceTherapist @ July 28 2009, 7:35 pm)
Quote (Anyacat @ July 27 2009, 8:23 pm)
Quote (exeter276 @ July 27 2009, 9:52 am)
Ok I'll bite. While I'll agree with the above posters that Star Trek V shouldn't be considered a dream, didn't Gene Roddenberry state somewhere that he doesn't consider this movie canon?

Roddenberry jokingly considered elements of this film to be "apocryphal at best", and particularly disliked the idea that Sarek had fathered a child (Sybok) with a Vulcan female before Amanda. Roddenberry made similar statements about elements of Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country. Nevertheless, both films are included in Trek canon.

Do you know what he specifically didn't think was canon for Star Trek VI?

Roddenberry hated the script for VI because the characters were flawed and bigoted. He believed that bigotry would disappear by the 23rd century. When Roddenberry protested about the villainization of Saavik, Nick Meyer struck back by noting that he, not Roddenberry, created Saavik and could do with her what he wished. Ultimately, the character of Saavik was changed, which I think was a pity, because Saavik's betrayal of Spock would have been more painful because of their history. Anyway, the pre-production meetings were very dramatic with Roddenberry and/or Meyer storming out on several occasions. In the end, he and Meyer sat down and Roddenberry went through the script line-by-line and registered his objections, which were duly noted and most of which ignored.

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