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If you had rebooted the Star Trek franchise...

> id="QUOTE">?Now it's the same old tired crew that's been wrung dry...

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Report this Aug. 15 2009, 4:30 pm

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Get rid of the Star Wars weapons sound effects and go back to more of the classic sound effect. That bugged me the most about the movie.

The WHOLE ENTIRE REBOOT CRAP by Jar Jar Abrams sucked big time,
which in my humble opinion is the WORST STAR TREK FILM EVER, sorry to hurt some of you guy's feelings but thats how I feel as a Loyalist...

If I had to reboot I would get rid of the entire cast, they're all horrible, get rid of Abrams and the two stupid writers..

And ?bury the TOS forever for it to thrive in prosperity in the brilliance created by Roddenberry, It was done right the first time no need to do it again with this new awful cast..

I would reboot the best Star Trek series ever, TNG along with crews from DS9 and Voyager, I have a kick A$$ story and Ambassador Spock could be in it, Captain Sulu also..
Star Trek needs to evolve not go into the realms of stupidity
that this movie is.

Though sadly Star Trek will never be great again,
instead of great sci-fi "mass audiences" love this new immature, loud, piece of junk, with no story no purpose and no logic. ?
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Those who know don't talk. Those who talk don't know.- ¿Tao Te Ching

Great quote!

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Report this Aug. 15 2009, 8:15 pm

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First, no alternate realities...let's get the first history down before we explore others.

Next, research ST history in this order...

? ? 1. ?TOS season 3, 2, 1 (in that order)
? ? 2. The Making of Star Trek (original book...for character
? ? ? ? ?profiles)
? ? 3. ?Original chronology written back in 1980 (plot ideas)
? ? 4. ?New chronology

If the writers couldn't explain something without violating those sources, then don't do it.

For the record, the current ones didn't violate anything either.

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?Now it's the same old tired crew that's been wrung dry...


Looked pretty fresh to me ;)

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and we still barely know anything about their pasts.


We know more about their pasts now than we did in the original series, outside of perhaps Spock's background. ¿It will be pretty hard to cram in 7 complete back stories into a two hour movie.

for the record, yes they did violate certain apects of the original Trek.  I won't go into that right now.

As for the characters, we probably know more about Spock than anyone else, which is ironic because he was originally supposed to be a low-key character.

Looking at the TV and movies...from those two sources only...what do we know about Uhura?  Sulu?  Chekov?  Or even the redoubtable Dr. McCoy?  What part of Scotalnd did Scotty come from?  Did he have a happy childhood?  Why does he love being an engineer so much?  Does McCoy have any family?

See what I mean?

I have to say ST is an unpolished gem, and the creators are not smart enough to see that its potential hasn't been reached yet.

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Report this Aug. 15 2009, 8:32 pm

> id="QUOTE"> border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (WkdYngMan @ Aug. 15 2009, 6:46 am)> id="QUOTE"> border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (fjbalist @ Aug. 15 2009, 4:45 am)> id="QUOTE">First, no alternate realities...let's get the first history down before we explore others.

Next, research ST history in this order...

? ? 1. ?TOS season 3, 2, 1 (in that order)
? ? 2. The Making of Star Trek (original book...for character
? ? ? ? ?profiles)
? ? 3. ?Original chronology written back in 1980 (plot ideas)
? ? 4. ?New chronology

If the writers couldn't explain something without violating those sources, then don't do it.
border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (fjbalist @ Aug. 15 2009, 5:15 am)

For the record, the current ones didn't violate anything either.

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Looked pretty fresh to me ;)

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Montgomery Scott was British born in Scotland, on Earth in 2222. (TNG: "Relics") He spent part of his life in Aberdeen, once referring to himself as an "old Aberdeen pub-crawler". (TOS: "Wolf in the Fold") He joined Starfleet and began his engineering career in 2241. During his 52-year career in Starfleet, he served on a total of eleven ships, including various freighters, cruisers and starships. (TNG: "Relics")

He also briefly served as an engineering adviser on the freight line between the Deneva colony and the outlying asteroid belts. (TOS: "Operation -- Annihilate!")

border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote > id="QUOTE">Leonard H. McCoy, MD was a noted physician and scientist of the 23rd and 24th centuries. Often called "Bones", he was an accomplished surgeon, physician, psychologist, and exobiologist, and was also considered an expert in space psychology. As ship's surgeon and chief medical officer, he served aboard the USS Enterprise and USS Enterprise-A for a combined twenty-seven years. Leonard McCoy was born in the "Old South" region of North America on Earth, in 2227, according to Starfleet records. He was the son of David McCoy. (Star Trek III: The Search for Spock; TAS: "Once Upon a Planet"; TNG: "Encounter at Farpoint")

McCoy was attending the University of Mississippi during the mid-2240s when he met the joined Trill Emony Dax, who was visiting Earth to judge a gymnastics competition. Dax thought McCoy "had the hands of a surgeon" and had a feeling he would become a doctor. (DS9: "Trials and Tribble-ations")

While there is no direct evidence, the way Jadzia Dax spoke of their encounter to Benjamin Sisko hinted that they might have had some sort of relationship.
He began studying medicine in or before 2245. While in medical school, McCoy and his friends used to play practical jokes on each other all the time. For example, they would substitute real drinking glasses with trick drinking glasses, causing the target drinker to spill on their shirt.



There was a lot of info on the original characters. If anything this new movie tells more than before.

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Report this Aug. 15 2009, 11:46 pm

> id="QUOTE"> border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (fjbalist @ Aug. 15 2009, 5:15 am)> id="QUOTE"> border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (WkdYngMan @ Aug. 15 2009, 6:46 am)> id="QUOTE"> border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (fjbalist @ Aug. 15 2009, 4:45 am)> id="QUOTE">First, no alternate realities...let's get the first history down before we explore others.

Next, research ST history in this order...

? ? 1. ?TOS season 3, 2, 1 (in that order)
? ? 2. The Making of Star Trek (original book...for character
? ? ? ? ?profiles)
? ? 3. ?Original chronology written back in 1980 (plot ideas)
? ? 4. ?New chronology

If the writers couldn't explain something without violating those sources, then don't do it.
border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (PhantomCrunk007 @ Aug. 15 2009, 8:32 pm)

For the record, the current ones didn't violate anything either.

border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote > id="QUOTE">?Now it's the same old tired crew that's been wrung dry...

Looked pretty fresh to me ;)

border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote > id="QUOTE">
Montgomery Scott was British born in Scotland, on Earth in 2222. (TNG: "Relics") He spent part of his life in Aberdeen, once referring to himself as an "old Aberdeen pub-crawler". (TOS: "Wolf in the Fold") He joined Starfleet and began his engineering career in 2241. During his 52-year career in Starfleet, he served on a total of eleven ships, including various freighters, cruisers and starships. (TNG: "Relics")

He also briefly served as an engineering adviser on the freight line between the Deneva colony and the outlying asteroid belts. (TOS: "Operation -- Annihilate!")

border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote > id="QUOTE">Leonard H. McCoy, MD was a noted physician and scientist of the 23rd and 24th centuries. Often called "Bones", he was an accomplished surgeon, physician, psychologist, and exobiologist, and was also considered an expert in space psychology. As ship's surgeon and chief medical officer, he served aboard the USS Enterprise and USS Enterprise-A for a combined twenty-seven years. Leonard McCoy was born in the "Old South" region of North America on Earth, in 2227, according to Starfleet records. He was the son of David McCoy. (Star Trek III: The Search for Spock; TAS: "Once Upon a Planet"; TNG: "Encounter at Farpoint")

McCoy was attending the University of Mississippi during the mid-2240s when he met the joined Trill Emony Dax, who was visiting Earth to judge a gymnastics competition. Dax thought McCoy "had the hands of a surgeon" and had a feeling he would become a doctor. (DS9: "Trials and Tribble-ations")

While there is no direct evidence, the way Jadzia Dax spoke of their encounter to Benjamin Sisko hinted that they might have had some sort of relationship.
He began studying medicine in or before 2245. While in medical school, McCoy and his friends used to play practical jokes on each other all the time. For example, they would substitute real drinking glasses with trick drinking glasses, causing the target drinker to spill on their shirt.



There was a lot of info on the original characters. If anything this new movie tells more than before.
Amazing!  Now I feel I know them as well as I know my own family!

Let's face it...with the level of knowledge that we have of these people, they might as well be considered as no more than props.  In fact, we probably know more about the Enterpise itself in its various phases than we know about its crew.

That's one other thing I would have changed about the movie...I would have kept the original design (TOS) more or less, but detailed it to a greater extent and made it a bit more primitive as befitting an earlier version.

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