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If you had rebooted the Star Trek franchise...

Jagr68

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Report this Jul. 27 2009, 12:43 am

Seriously? What you all out there do if you were the ones that rebooted the franchise? What would I do? I would make the Vulcans blue blooded with vampire looking fangs, with no logic but would still be a lot like the remans in that they would be good builders. And the human race would have animosity towards Zefram Cochrane for trying to usher in a new era for the planet Earth because if the Federal Government found out which in my version they do, they'd kill him and start their own world war three AND make THEIR OWN KHAN SINGH for themselves. And Starfleet doesn't get created until after Kirk's voyages because of the fact that tyranical bureaucrats destroying all funding for the UESPA and all famous captains like Archer, April, Pike, and Kirk are all MACOs. PS don't tell me Kirk isn't a soldier folks. If you listen to what he said to the organians in errand of mercy he specifially said the was a soldier and not a diplomat. Besides if Starfleet had ranks why wouldn't they be soldiers and just explorers? BTW if you think Abrams Kirk is badass you haven't seen the light, my Kirk is so mean that we would probably kill Khan the first minute he saw him at all. Oh and one last little surprise up my sleeve...my Khan is an Al Qaeda terrorist.  :cool:  Beat that Paramount. Think about it if Khan were Al Qaeda and a superman at the same time wouldn't that be the worst war ever? :idea:  Now enough of that. I want to see your ideas what do you guys think you'd do if you had to reboot Star Trek? :D

axilmar1

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Report this Jul. 27 2009, 6:22 am

I would use the same actors, which are not bad, but the script would be tighter, with much less plot holes, and the whole movie would be done in the serious Trek style, i.e. it would be quite deep and thoughtful. The story could be the same.

PhantomCrunk007

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Report this Jul. 27 2009, 6:25 am

Quote (axilmar1 @ July 26 2009, 3:22 pm)
I would use the same actors, which are not bad, but the script would be tighter, with much less plot holes, and the whole movie would be done in the serious Trek style, i.e. it would be quite deep and thoughtful. The story could be the same.

In other words, Axilmar would make it boring.

Mirrorgirl

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Report this Jul. 27 2009, 6:34 am

I would definitely keep the same cast, except get a woman with a female body, not the body of a teenage boy. I would give Gaila (Orion Girl) a bigger role. I would lose 95% of the lens flare. I would lose Delta Vega altogether. I would have Kirk receive a commendation and not be made Captain immediately (I would have Pike back in the big seat at the end of the movie). I would totally lose the Spock/Uhura travesty. I would include the Rura Penthe material (and develop Nero and his crew further). I would not have Amanda die (maybe off Sarek instead, if absolutely necessary). totally lose the 'water-pipes' scene.

Other than the above changes I'm happy with the movie. The pace, the cast, the excitement level, the back story, the destruction of Vulcan are all good in my book.

*edit* #1 son says BEAM weapons instead of pulse weapon

Captain_Storma

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Report this Jul. 27 2009, 8:41 am

Quote (axilmar1 @ July 27 2009, 3:22 pm)
I would use the same actors, which are not bad, but the script would be tighter, with much less plot holes, and the whole movie would be done in the serious Trek style, i.e. it would be quite deep and thoughtful. The story could be the same.

Agreed. Less mainstream, more class and maturity.

I would cast some different actors though. Pine is too young to be a believeable James T. Kirk. I would go with Matt Damon as the leading actor. His performance in the movies he participated in was classy.

I would skip this whole "how did they meet" crap (how did you meet the people at your work... See you do not even care), and would instead tell a classical TREK-like story. Less silly humor, more maturity and most importantly a main theme which covers TREK's essence: Trying to understand the unknown, trying to solve a conflict peacefully instead of beating oneself through the movie.

But well... what did you expect from the people who wrote TRANSFORMERS?  :eyesroll:

axilmar1

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Report this Jul. 27 2009, 9:46 am

Quote (Captain_Storma @ July 27 2009, 8:41 am)
Quote (axilmar1 @ July 27 2009, 3:22 pm)
I would use the same actors, which are not bad, but the script would be tighter, with much less plot holes, and the whole movie would be done in the serious Trek style, i.e. it would be quite deep and thoughtful. The story could be the same.

Agreed. Less mainstream, more class and maturity.

I would cast some different actors though. Pine is too young to be a believeable James T. Kirk. I would go with Matt Damon as the leading actor. His performance in the movies he participated in was classy.

I would skip this whole "how did they meet" crap (how did you meet the people at your work... See you do not even care), and would instead tell a classical TREK-like story. Less silly humor, more maturity and most importantly a main theme which covers TREK's essence: Trying to understand the unknown, trying to solve a conflict peacefully instead of beating oneself through the movie.

But well... what did you expect from the people who wrote TRANSFORMERS? ¿:eyesroll:

I agree with you, and the movie would not be boring at all.

Vice_Adm_Baxter

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Report this Jul. 27 2009, 9:48 am

Quote (axilmar1 @ July 27 2009, 3:22 am)
I would use the same actors, which are not bad, but the script would be tighter, with much less plot holes, and the whole movie would be done in the serious Trek style, i.e. it would be quite deep and thoughtful. The story could be the same.

In other words a TNG version of TOS.

There will never ever be another TNG era film so get over it.

Vger23

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Report this Jul. 27 2009, 10:04 am

I wouldn't have done it much differently than was done here, actually.

I would have edited 6 or 7 minutes of stuff like Scotty in the pipes or Kirk's bloated hands out of the film in favor of adding 3 or 4 minutes of depth and explanation to Nero's character and 3 or 4 minutes of time spent on improved explanations of some of the science stuff (red matter, singularities, transwarp beaming, etc.)





Oh, and I would have put a big disclaimer at the beginning of the movie saying "This movie is based on Classic Trek. The attitudes, pacing, dialogue, and sense of adventure displayed in this movie is not designed to match the sensibilities and tastes of those who are only fans of TNG-era Star Trek. Please report to the ticket booth and request your refund before the film begins. Live long and prosper."

Captain_Storma

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Report this Jul. 27 2009, 11:32 am

Quote (Vice_Adm_Baxter @ July 27 2009, 6:48 pm)
Quote (axilmar1 @ July 27 2009, 3:22 am)
I would use the same actors, which are not bad, but the script would be tighter, with much less plot holes, and the whole movie would be done in the serious Trek style, i.e. it would be quite deep and thoughtful. The story could be the same.

In other words a TNG version of TOS.

There will never ever be another TNG era film so get over it.

Starting all over again?

Watch TOS on BluRay and you will find what we are looking for.  :eyesroll:

Captain_Storma

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Report this Jul. 27 2009, 11:35 am

Quote (Vger23 @ July 27 2009, 7:04 pm)
I wouldn't have done it much differently than was done here, actually.

I would have edited 6 or 7 minutes of stuff like Scotty in the pipes or Kirk's bloated hands out of the film in favor of adding 3 or 4 minutes of depth and explanation to Nero's character and 3 or 4 minutes of time spent on improved explanations of some of the science stuff (red matter, singularities, transwarp beaming, etc.)





Oh, and I would have put a big disclaimer at the beginning of the movie saying "This movie is based on Classic Trek. The attitudes, pacing, dialogue, and sense of adventure displayed in this movie is not designed to match the sensibilities and tastes of those who are only fans of TNG-era Star Trek. Please report to the ticket booth and request your refund before the film begins. Live long and prosper."

Is that some kind of trend to bash TNG-era fans now?

How childish are you people?  :eyesroll:

There are certain points of criticism raised against the movie (not against the people who like it), and some people here starting insulting fans who think otherwise? They lie about others and put words in their mouth, people never said.

Well thank you. And I thought we were fans of STAR TREK, where tolerance and mutual respect rules over selfish and childish attitudes.

rocketscientist

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Report this Jul. 27 2009, 11:55 am

Quote (Vger23 @ July 27 2009, 10:04 am)
I wouldn't have done it much differently than was done here, actually.

I would have edited 6 or 7 minutes of stuff like Scotty in the pipes or Kirk's bloated hands out of the film in favor of adding 3 or 4 minutes of depth and explanation to Nero's character and 3 or 4 minutes of time spent on improved explanations of some of the science stuff (red matter, singularities, transwarp beaming, etc.)

I'm with Vger. ¿

I'd also add a couple of things in the script. ¿

1. ¿More of Kirk and Spock as kids. ¿There was a big opportunity there and I wanted to see more of their formative years. ¿Orci and Kurtzmann cited the first Superman film as an influence and you can see that in XI, but, imo, they should've had more. ¿Who cares if the movie goes a bit over 2 hours if it's good.

2. ¿Nero's 25 year absence: ¿You shouldn't have to read a comic book to find out where he was. ¿I think cutting the Rura-Penthe scenes was a mistake. ¿

3. ¿That line from the earlier script where Spock-Prime discusses how the timeline is apparently trying to "heal itself" via seeming conincidences would've helped. ¿I don't know why they cut that out. ¿It's one or two lines. ¿I don't think it would've slowed things down. ¿Plus, we've seen the same sort of effect in other ST productions, from the Mirror universe stories to Yesterday's Enterprise. ¿It's not like this effect is out of the blue.

4. ¿Kirk's jump from cadet to captain. ¿That strained credibility, like a lot of ST. ¿I can't believe Orci really thinks that was credible in light of all he's seen in ST. ¿I wouldn't be surprised if Abrams just told him he wanted to end the film with everyone in their places instead of having Pike still in charge of the ship with Kirk as his XO, say (which still would've been something of a stretch). ¿I think they tried to play it both ways, by delaying Kirk's entry in the academy, they made his rise in the ranks just really hard to swallow. ¿I would've put it off until the next movie. ¿I mean, Bruce Greenwood was great as Pike. ¿Why not have him as the captain in the next one and then have him taken out (then again, that was already done in XI)? ¿Then, at the end, Kirk becomes captain of the Enterprise. ¿There, done.

5. ¿More Spock-Prime because it's only logical because Leonard Nimoy is awesome and it was great seeing him interacting with the new crew.

:laugh: ¿:laugh: ¿That's a great idea! ¿I'm sure some of the TNG fans would've appreciated that candid disclaimer, especially the ones who read every single tidbit of information on ST XI in advance of its release and spent months expounding on how terrible it was and then rushed out to see it on its opening weekend, just so they could criticize it some more! ¿ ¿ :laugh: ¿:laugh:

rocketscientist

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Report this Jul. 27 2009, 12:00 pm

Quote (Captain_Storma @ July 27 2009, 11:35 am)
Quote (Vger23 @ July 27 2009, 7:04 pm)
I wouldn't have done it much differently than was done here, actually.

I would have edited 6 or 7 minutes of stuff like Scotty in the pipes or Kirk's bloated hands out of the film in favor of adding 3 or 4 minutes of depth and explanation to Nero's character and 3 or 4 minutes of time spent on improved explanations of some of the science stuff (red matter, singularities, transwarp beaming, etc.)





Oh, and I would have put a big disclaimer at the beginning of the movie saying "This movie is based on Classic Trek. The attitudes, pacing, dialogue, and sense of adventure displayed in this movie is not designed to match the sensibilities and tastes of those who are only fans of TNG-era Star Trek. Please report to the ticket booth and request your refund before the film begins. Live long and prosper."

Is that some kind of trend to bash TNG-era fans now?

How childish are you people? ?:eyesroll:

There are certain points of criticism raised against the movie (not against the people who like it), and some people here starting insulting fans who think otherwise? They lie about others and put words in their mouth, people never said.

Well thank you. And I thought we were fans of STAR TREK, where tolerance and mutual respect rules over selfish and childish attitudes.

Storma, Vger23 was referring to some TNG fans, not all of them. ?See the "TNG-only" reference in his disclaimer. ¿You're not a "TNG-only" fan (though TNG is the best in your book and you like TNG a lot more, I think, than I like ST) so this disclaimer, imo, doesn't really apply to you.

Hell, I'm a big TNG fan and I don't feel picked on by that disclaimer. ?I don't think VAB does either (and, correct me if I'm wrong, but you put DS9 at #1 don't you VAB). ?I think Vger's disclaimer is hilarious and true for a few of the people here, which, imo anyway, certainly doesn't include you, or Tin Man, or good ol' duderanch and others who didn't like this film, Storma.

If you guys didn't like it, and especially even for some the same things I didn't like about it, hey, more power to you. ¿That's fine. ¿That's cool. ¿I believe Vger was addressing the more anti-social and issue-laden individuals of this MB. ¿The guys who are obsessed with convincing the world on how bad this movie is as though they were expounding religious or political  beliefs.

rocketscientist

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Report this Jul. 27 2009, 12:06 pm

Quote (Vice_Adm_Baxter @ July 27 2009, 9:48 am)
In other words a TNG version of TOS.

I think that's what TMP was.

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There will never ever be another TNG era film so get over it.


I agree. I think, thanks to Berman's poor management of the franchise, there probably won't be another TNG film.

Captain_Storma

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Report this Jul. 27 2009, 1:26 pm

I am just getting tired with it... These days people claim everything other than TREK XI is bad, cause it's old. People simply forget that TREK's high was in the 24th century with FIRST CONTACT late TNG and DS9. Remember the 30th anniversary... Now that was the high-time of TREK.

Btw what would be wrong about a TNG style movie? Not cool enough? Too mature? Too demanding?

I watched TOS on BluRay (first time in years) and was surprised how high quality those scripts were, how mature they were.

And I know whom Vger was refering to, believe me... Stamp something on people.

Can we at least stick to criticising the makers, producers and their products instead of eachother?
Do you see me posting around that only "fools" enjoy nuTrek?

I respect your opinion (eventhough I do not share it). Is it too much to ask for the same in return?

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Report this Jul. 27 2009, 1:50 pm

Quote (Captain_Storma @ July 27 2009, 1:26 pm)
I am just getting tired with it... These days people claim everything other than TREK XI is bad, cause it's old.

I don't see many people, if any, saying that at all.  On the contrary, it seems like most people here regard some of the older ST films as being superior to ST XI.  Hell, I think TWOK and TVH were definitely better than ST XI and maybe even TUC and FC too.

And if you check out the general ST board, you'll see that recent polls show the original series characters at the top and they're the oldest characters of the bunch.

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Remember the 30th anniversary... Now that was the high-time of TREK.


30th anniversary?  Was that when they had the tribbles episode on DS9 and Flashback on VOY and FC?  

It was after TUC though, I know that.

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I watched TOS on BluRay (first time in years) and was surprised how high quality those scripts were, how mature they were.


Because, they had to rely more on the scripts and characters because they never had the budget and sfx that the spinoffs, TNG, DS9, VOY, and ENT had, as observed by Mr. Nimoy.  

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Can we at least stick to criticising the makers, producers and their products instead of eachother?


That's laudable.  Things shouldn't turn personal, but, for some reason, people take others' opinions of this new film and other things personally, like it's a threat to their world or something.  That isn't healthy or rational.

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I respect your opinion (eventhough I do not share it). Is it too much to ask for the same in return?


Storma, have I ever ripped on you personally for not liking this film?  Ever?  I don't think I have.  I have a lot of respect for you and if you don't think I've shown it, then I certainly apologize.  I certainly never meant to imply otherwise.

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