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would u like the federation to become conquerers?

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Report this Jul. 26 2009, 1:09 am

No never will happen in our prime universe. The closest thing they have to being remotely evil is section 31. Even section 31 is more of an allegory to represent the government doing whatever it takes to ensure the safety of it's people. That whole story arc seemed like an allegory for the gulf war or perhaps the NSA.

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Report this Jul. 26 2009, 1:30 am

Quote (ohnoodo @ July 26 2009, 1:18 am)
I always thought SF acted like conquerors many times. ¿Seems they frequently strong-armed neutral planets into joining the ever-expanding Federation. ¿Perhaps benign conquerors but conquerors just the same.

I don't now what episode you were watching my friend. If the Federation had the strong armed mentality than they would have most certainly tried to make the Klingons join the Federation after Praxis exploded in TUC. Instead they got a peace treaty called the Khitomer Accords. A Klingon Brigadier general in TUC said he thought this would be the annihilation of Klingon culture. And still to this day in 2387 the Klingons are as much the cultured people as they were in 2151.

It appears that way because there are so many members in the Federation. But most of those members are not vast empires like the Klingons, Romulans, and Cardassian's are. Those 3 major races have the infrastructure to support themselves and do not need to be part of the Federation. At least the Romulans and Cardassian's used to before recent events.

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Report this Jul. 27 2009, 2:31 am

no.  however i think a good idea at the end of DS9 since the war mirrored WW2.  They should have made it so that the Dominion kept fighting and the FED had no choice but to drop 2 Trilitium Subspace Bombs on the Founders world and one on Cardassia.  

that would have been a perfect mirror and it would have had a nice debate for Trek as to how "perfect" the FED is.

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Report this Jul. 27 2009, 2:48 am

Quote (UtopiaPlanitia @ July 26 2009, 5:31 am)
no. ¿however i think a good idea at the end of DS9 since the war mirrored WW2. ¿They should have made it so that the Dominion kept fighting and the FED had no choice but to drop 2 Trilitium Subspace Bombs on the Founders world and one on Cardassia. ¿

that would have been a perfect mirror and it would have had a nice debate for Trek as to how "perfect" the FED is.

Well, I always saw The Dominion War as WWI.  Just wait for the second one!

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Report this Jul. 27 2009, 7:24 am

I am open to the idea. A Federation gone bad could be quite a successful series, if done right.  It could also slowly slip to a dictatorship or a 1984-like organization.

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Report this Jul. 27 2009, 10:04 am

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Quote (31st_Century_Temporal_Agent @ July 25 2009, 10:30 pm)
I don't now what episode you were watching my friend.

How about TOS "Errand of Mercy". ?SF wanted to annex planet Organia for its resources and strategic location but the inhabitants steadfastly refused Kirk's kind offer, much to his surprise. ?He wouldn't take no for an answer and used every trick in the book, including threating them with the fear of a Klingon attack, to make them change their mind.

Only their immense powers kept them from being absorbed into the Federation.

Well Kirk was trying to convince the Organians that a partnership with the Klingons would be a big mistake. I am sure if it had been another peaceful race that episode would not have happened that way. As far as the threat of a Klingon attack goes Kirk was right about that it wasn't as much of a tactic but more of the truth. Although in hindsight the Klingons would not have made it very far in an attack.

23rd century Klingons are not exactly known for their honorable ways like their 24th century counterparts. Must have been that augment dna.

It was due more to the Klingons being there rather than the federation trying to indirectly annex Organia.

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Report this Jul. 27 2009, 10:29 am

In a way the federation are conquerers. Not directly but they do use their political and money power to just buy up planets. reminds me of the USA. LOL

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Report this Jul. 27 2009, 9:13 pm

Quote (irish_fan @ July 24 2009, 8:08 pm)
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no. never. not even for a minute. i think you are confusing this with another series

we'll they are obviously trying to attract a new type of fan (ie star wars types) who like that kind of darker twist

*blinks*

As one of the resident 'Warsies' (though actually the term Haloite is more appropriate) I am curious as to how you are arriving at this conclusion.

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Report this Jul. 29 2009, 2:12 am

Eddington in DS9 saw The Federation and Starfleet as worse than the Borg. " At least the Borg TELL YOU their plans of assimilation."  He goes on to say that The Federation just assumes that everyone wants to be part of it.  But, when the Maquis try to resist , and fight for their independence, The Federation declares them outlaws and criminals. This is in "For the Cause" I believe, and I kind of see his point.  Of course, The Federation was trying to prevent another war with the Cardassians over the Demilitarized Zone.  But, Eddington does have a persuasive argument.

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Report this Jul. 29 2009, 11:26 am

Quote (irish_fan @ July 24 2009, 12:49 am)
would u like the federation to become conquerers in a new series?
(ie. bad guys)






[the 5th poll answer shouldnt say "ever" was meant to say "after"]

Been done Mirror Universe  :logical:

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Report this Jul. 29 2009, 6:35 pm

Quote (challengerdyer @ July 29 2009, 2:12 am)
Eddington in DS9 saw The Federation and Starfleet as worse than the Borg. " At least the Borg TELL YOU their plans of assimilation." ¿He goes on to say that The Federation just assumes that everyone wants to be part of it. ¿But, when the Maquis try to resist , and fight for their independence, The Federation declares them outlaws and criminals. This is in "For the Cause" I believe, and I kind of see his point. ¿Of course, The Federation was trying to prevent another war with the Cardassians over the Demilitarized Zone. ¿But, Eddington does have a persuasive argument.

I am actually glad I was not the only one that thought that during that episode.  

The Federation at times seemed to come across as thinking that they were perfect and everyone wanted to be like them.  But there was an argument that the Federation system did not really encourage individuality.

Granted I understood why Sisko was doing what he did trying to avoid a war, but if I was one of the colonists I would have been very upset with what the Federation did to them.  Eddington had a point IMO.

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Report this Jul. 29 2009, 6:43 pm

Quote (challengerdyer @ July 28 2009, 5:12 am)
Eddington in DS9 saw The Federation and Starfleet as worse than the Borg. " At least the Borg TELL YOU their plans of assimilation." ¿He goes on to say that The Federation just assumes that everyone wants to be part of it. ¿But, when the Maquis try to resist , and fight for their independence, The Federation declares them outlaws and criminals. This is in "For the Cause" I believe, and I kind of see his point. ¿Of course, The Federation was trying to prevent another war with the Cardassians over the Demilitarized Zone. ¿But, Eddington does have a persuasive argument.

And that sort of look into the Federation - A look at the system through the eyes of someone with a different viewpoint...  I like that.  

But making them evil - No way.  Whether you like their policies or not, the Federation believes in their heart they are doing what is right.  Conflict should come from a different viewpoint on what is right, not a turn-around of ideals.  If Starfleet command is to be portrayed as antagonists, it's not because they are evil but because they have little tolerance from deviation, and there are other viewpoints they should consider.

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Report this Jul. 29 2009, 6:47 pm

conquerers, yes, let's show those lowly aliens the true value of communism.

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Report this Jul. 29 2009, 6:48 pm

Quote (Venicius @ July 28 2009, 9:47 pm)
conquerers, yes, let's show those lowly aliens the true value of communism.

It's actually not communism - The Federation is a corporate oligarchy.

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Report this Jul. 30 2009, 3:27 am

I so miss DS9 and it might have been darker, but it was still Star Trek, and Star Trek is always about hope and understanding.

The mirror universe episodes was enough of evil Star Trek for me.

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