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Inner Light Question

ssmukhi

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Report this Sep. 14 2009, 3:41 am

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ENT567

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Report this Sep. 14 2009, 7:48 am

Quote (HeadofSecurity @ Posted: Sep. 13 2009, 11:53 pm)
Finally, the people criticising the use of a probe and calling it a plot hole are missing the point. It might not be the best way to get the experiences of a planet across, but people don't always make good decisions! Perhaps a lot of people were against it but 51% of the population voted for it. Perhaps they just were a bit stupid! Who knows.

So, what's the missing point? That they just were a bit stupid? :rookie:

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Report this Sep. 14 2009, 1:06 pm

Quote (ENT567 @ Sep. 14 2009, 7:48 am)
Quote (HeadofSecurity @ Posted: Sep. 13 2009, 11:53 pm)
Finally, the people criticising the use of a probe and calling it a plot hole are missing the point. It might not be the best way to get the experiences of a planet across, but people don't always make good decisions! Perhaps a lot of people were against it but 51% of the population voted for it. Perhaps they just were a bit stupid! Who knows.

So, what's the missing point? That they just were a bit stupid? :rookie:

The point that if someone does something which isn't neccessarily the most logical or best thing to do, it isn't a plot hole. People make mistakes! And do silly things.

That's like watching a documentary about the Napoleonic wars and saying "major plot hole... why would France invade Russia?? That's totally stupid"

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Report this Sep. 14 2009, 9:35 pm

Quote (usscalvery @ Aug. 15 2009, 10:10 am)
In one NG eposode , did Crusher tell Piccard that Wesly was his son??? I cant remember witch one???

No.

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Report this Sep. 16 2009, 9:04 am

Quote (HeadofSecurity @ Posted: Sep. 14 2009, 1:06 pm)
The point that if someone does something which isn't neccessarily the most logical or best thing to do, it isn't a plot hole.

It isn't always a plot hole - with this I agree.

:)

If seriously, I don't see that the writers of Inner Light intended to achieve the highest point of realism with depicting their characters as stupid people.

It more seems like they got carried away with their aspiration to make it poetically elevated, and a little bit forgot about common sense.

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Report this Sep. 16 2009, 11:17 pm

Quote (ENT567 @ Sep. 16 2009, 9:04 am)
Quote (HeadofSecurity @ Posted: Sep. 14 2009, 1:06 pm)
The point that if someone does something which isn't neccessarily the most logical or best thing to do, it isn't a plot hole.

It isn't always a plot hole - with this I agree.

:)

If seriously, I don't see that the writers of Inner Light intended to achieve the highest point of realism with depicting their characters as stupid people.

It more seems like they got carried away with their aspiration to make it poetically elevated, and a little bit forgot about common sense.

Still doesn't make it a 'plot hole' though, as its explainable - you're guessing what the writers did or did not intend, which is dangerous territory.

I mean, I agree with you, I'm sure they just didn't think it through, but regardless, the fact that the probe wasn't necessarily the best way of doing things can't be called a 'plot hole' - for me that has to be something which is completely lacking of any possible explaination.

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Report this Sep. 17 2009, 5:08 am

Technically, that may fall under the plothole category:
A plot hole, or plothole, is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot, or constitutes a blatant omission of relevant information regarding the plot. These include such things as unlikely behaviour or actions of characters, illogical or impossible events, events happening for no apparent reason, or statements/events that contradict earlier events in the storyline. (wiki)
Though in fact practically any inconsistences/omissions/logical flaws could be explained somehow ;).
I don't disagree with you either :D

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Report this Oct. 16 2009, 9:31 pm

Quote (ENT567 @ Sep. 17 2009, 5:08 am)
Technically, that may fall under the plothole category:
A plot hole, or plothole, is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot, or constitutes a blatant omission of relevant information regarding the plot. These include such things as unlikely behaviour or actions of characters, illogical or impossible events, events happening for no apparent reason, or statements/events that contradict earlier events in the storyline. (wiki)
Though in fact practically any inconsistences/omissions/logical flaws could be explained somehow ;).
I don't disagree with you either :D

Yeah but using that explaination then Tony Montana's spiral into drug use in scarface is a plot hole... in fact story which has a hero/antihero with a fatal flaw could be said to be a plothole!

I guess what I'm trying to say is it seems possible to me that they would do what they did, and not in the same category as 'real' plotholes  :)

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Report this Oct. 16 2009, 11:10 pm

inner light was a good episode, heavy with the living an entire life on what is a few minutes in the real Trek world.  Its a good stand-alone episode.  Not part of any arc, not key to any season.

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Report this Oct. 17 2009, 12:47 am

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This episode is best enjoyed with the LEAST analysis possible. It was not meant to be scientifically accurate, or to make any logical sense. It was meant to give Picard another life to live, and what would have become of him had he chosen to lead that life. Picard has said since the beginning that he is uncomfortable with children, but we saw here that he really was a very good father and raised his daughter and son pretty well, and was even a good grandfather and hisband! It's what McCoy called the Tahiti Syndrome, what many people in positions of power ultimately dream about.

One of TNG, or Star Trek's best episodes!

Yup, I agree.

Just a great story...

Not to mention the great make-up they did making Picard progressively age like that! All around simply one of Trek's finest!

Yeah. I hear that's really hard to do.

Convincingly.

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Report this Oct. 17 2009, 12:48 am

Quote (jolene_blalock_fan @ Oct. 16 2009, 8:10 pm)
inner light was a good episode, heavy with the living an entire life on what is a few minutes in the real Trek world. ¿Its a good stand-alone episode. ¿Not part of any arc, not key to any season.

It was key to his subsequent relationship with that science officer in stellar cartography.

Why are some fans forgetful of these things?

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Report this Oct. 17 2009, 12:49 pm

Quote (RedShirtGuyNumber1001 @ July 22 2009, 11:59 pm)
Yeah I often wondered that myself. ¿Did he forget things after the experience? ¿I always thought it was a shame that this episode was overlooked in the future. ¿Did anyone think that Generations did something horrible when Picard learned of his brother and nephews death and then he stated, "Now there will be no more Picards." ¿I thought the BnB boys screwed up when they allowed that.

Indeed. It makes you think that Picard should have started a family to preserve his family blood line.

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Report this Jul. 23 2010, 8:37 am

One of the things which kept TNG from being the best series imho was the fact that there was no 'crossover' effect from episode to episode. DS9 and Voyager at least tried, on occasion. Events of the prior episode, no matter how much they should have affected a character, are played as if nothing happened. This is one of the things that irks me about TNG sometimes. I cannot remember what the episode following "Inner Light" was like, but I'm betting it is as I described above. 


Make it so...

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Report this Jul. 23 2010, 9:57 am

The original series episodes - and TNG probably just "inherited" this mindset - was not broadcast in the order they were shot, or intended. So, episodes were written "independently," for that reason. As a result, it became typical for characters to experience "life-changing" events on STAR TREK, while showing absolutely no evidence of it, later. I guess, once this was "accepted" as part of the style of the original show, nobody bothered questioning it too much in TNG, either. But Inner Light, while an interesting episode, made absolutely no sense. It was just to allow Picard to experience a family life and to give Patrick Stewart something "differnt" to play at.

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