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Why Data is the perfect man

HeadofSecurity

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Report this Oct. 16 2009, 9:25 pm

Sorry, I think you may have misunderstood my reasons on commenting on this thread, maybe I didn't choose my words carefully enough. It wasnt my intention to ruin anyones fun, just putting my opinion into the debate. Sorry if it came across in that way.

I didnt comment on every point obviously just the ones I thought were a bit strange. Let me put it this way. If someone asked you: "Where's your perfect restaurant and why?" and you said "XXXX, because they don't spit in your face as soon as you walk in, and the food doesn't kill you" then the obvious response is - well hang on, lots of places dont do those things! No, the reasons a place is your favourite restaurant are because the food is so amazing, or that they always remember your name and details about you. In the same way, the fact that Data wouldnt be mean to you, would listen, and doesnt smell, arent acceptable reasons to make him the PERFECT man! Extraordinary things he can do (yes, as some posts mentioned) are what would do it.

As for the episode, sorry but I have to disagree. I don't think you can have 'your point of view' if there is no evidence to support it - for example if I said that the episode where Picard goes to Riza is meant to show how Picard is evil, it would just be wrong.

In the episode in question, this woman starts a relationship with Data. Yes, she was on the rebound, the reason for this is so that she considers a relationship with Data, someone she otherwise wouldnt have. She even says that she's sick of the same old men, and wants something new. BUT the reason the relationship fails, in fact the whole point of the episode, is because Data isn't a human, and so cannot have a relationship with one/ I'm sorry that your liking for him has blinded you to that point, but its very clear. It doesnt mean that you cant like him, he's a fictional character you can think what you like! I'mnot having a go at you, its just that the episode it pretty clear! Its an episode which explores Data having a relationship. What sort of conclusion would it be if the reason that it fails was that the woman wasn't right for him! If that was the case, why didn't Data have any other relationships later in the series.

Anyway thats my view.

BrotherofShran01

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Report this Oct. 17 2009, 12:54 pm

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Nice one MS :)

Eternal7

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Report this Oct. 18 2009, 1:54 am

In response to HeadofSecurity:

I am not debating you; I'm answering someone who has asked me questions regarding my post. This thread was not a debate either-"Why Data is the Perfect Man" can mean anything that can attribute to him being perfect can be added as a comment including anything in general. It doesn't indicate that other males do not/can not/should not or "should" have such qualities.

If my post is the not the one in question of summarizing "all" of the points you thought were unnecessary then you should not have quoted only my post- that in which, is going to derive a response from me to obviously answer what you have asked.

I understand your point of view, I think however- having qualities where a man doesn't smell, wouldn't be mean to you, would listen is better then a man who does smell, would be mean and doesn't listen. Having good qualities (even in general) can lead up to him being a perfect man (like we think of Data.) Your examples don't change the fact a man who isn't going to be mean does make him better then someone who *is* mean. The same reason a restaurant that "doesn't spit in your face as soon as you walk in and the food doesn't kill you" is better then one that does- so whether other restaurants "don't" do that doesn't mean it's a "wrong" point to make. Yes, perhaps it isn't "all" the reasons why that's your favorite restaurant but it doesn't mean you can't contribute those qualities to why you like it. I can agree that some of the points are in the extremes for what can make Data a perfect man- but again we are not comparing to guys who do/or don't have these qualities because this is just in general since it is for fun. The points aren't "wrong" if they are attributing to qualities (no matter how general) Data has.

As for the episode- that's fine, it is your point of view on it. Yes, I can have my "point of view" because there is evidence to support it (including the comment I made in my previous post.) The generalized idea about what the episode was about and the main idea (which you are indicating) yes is clear and I do understand. However, I also believe it is possible for other meanings within the episode that haven't been reflected on (and others agree with me on it too). The example about "Picard going to Risa makes him evil" doesn't make any sense to me, but if someone found certain indications about a meaning concerning that point- they wouldn't be wrong to have a "point of view" on it whether or not we agree on it.

It isn't "wrong" to have different "points of views" because there are other aspects that can contribute to different meanings in the episode and it can be how you look at the situation. In which, I am not "blinded" for my liking of Data to see what the episode is about (I also do not think it is necessary to insult me), but I do however look beyond what is the main plotline to see other meanings as well (which can account for many other episodes as well). That's why we discuss about them because there are different "points of view" on how we can interpret the episode.

Personally, looking at the episode from a different "point of view" I think she wasn't right for Data because she didn't really love him- if you don't really love a person then you wouldn't want to be with them no matter how "perfect" someone can be. I think she never understood fully that Data can not have emotions- the fact that she was expecting the same kind of emotions she would get from a human male is her own fault.

Data never had any other relationships in the series because he has no libido and there is no "want" for him to pursue woman. However, if a woman pursued him then I think he would try to see if the relationship would have worked out- from what we know, no other woman have pursued a relationship with him which is probably because of the main reason which is- he has no emotions; but if someone loved Data for who he is though- then having a man being able to understand emotions in a logical sense is good enough and they would love him for who he is.

In conclusion: Data is the perfect man for us in all aspects of the good qualities he possesses no matter how generalized, extreme or laudable.

I understand you don't agree with the majority of the points I made and that's fine. You are entitled to your own points of views and opinions, however- I will not tell you they are "wrong."

We can just agree to disagree.

Thank-you for your views. :)

BrotherofShran01

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Report this Oct. 18 2009, 12:41 pm

Quote (Eternal7 @ Oct. 18 2009, 1:54 am)
In response to HeadofSecurity:

I am not debating you; I'm answering someone who has asked me questions regarding my post. This thread was not a debate either-"Why Data is the Perfect Man" can mean anything that can attribute to him being perfect can be added as a comment including anything in general. It doesn't indicate that other males do not/can not/should not or "should" have such qualities.

If my post is the not the one in question of summarizing "all" of the points you thought were unnecessary then you should not have quoted only my post- that in which, is going to derive a response from me to obviously answer what you have asked.

I understand your point of view, I think however- having qualities where a man doesn't smell, wouldn't be mean to you, would listen is better then a man who does smell, would be mean and doesn't listen. Having good qualities (even in general) can lead up to him being a perfect man (like we think of Data.) Your examples don't change the fact a man who isn't going to be mean does make him better then someone who *is* mean. The same reason a restaurant that "doesn't spit in your face as soon as you walk in and the food doesn't kill you" is better then one that does- so whether other restaurants "don't" do that doesn't mean it's a "wrong" point to make. Yes, perhaps it isn't "all" the reasons why that's your favorite restaurant but it doesn't mean you can't contribute those qualities to why you like it. I can agree that some of the points are in the extremes for what can make Data a perfect man- but again we are not comparing to guys who do/or don't have these qualities because this is just in general since it is for fun. The points aren't "wrong" if they are attributing to qualities (no matter how general) Data has.

As for the episode- that's fine, it is your point of view on it. Yes, I can have my "point of view" because there is evidence to support it (including the comment I made in my previous post.) The generalized idea about what the episode was about and the main idea (which you are indicating) yes is clear and I do understand. However, I also believe it is possible for other meanings within the episode that haven't been reflected on (and others agree with me on it too). The example about "Picard going to Risa makes him evil" doesn't make any sense to me, but if someone found certain indications about a meaning concerning that point- they wouldn't be wrong to have a "point of view" on it whether or not we agree on it.

It isn't "wrong" to have different "points of views" because there are other aspects that can contribute to different meanings in the episode and it can be how you look at the situation. In which, I am not "blinded" for my liking of Data to see what the episode is about (I also do not think it is necessary to insult me), but I do however look beyond what is the main plotline to see other meanings as well (which can account for many other episodes as well). That's why we discuss about them because there are different "points of view" on how we can interpret the episode.

Personally, looking at the episode from a different "point of view" I think she wasn't right for Data because she didn't really love him- if you don't really love a person then you wouldn't want to be with them no matter how "perfect" someone can be. I think she never understood fully that Data can not have emotions- the fact that she was expecting the same kind of emotions she would get from a human male is her own fault.

Data never had any other relationships in the series because he has no libido and there is no "want" for him to pursue woman. However, if a woman pursued him then I think he would try to see if the relationship would have worked out- from what we know, no other woman have pursued a relationship with him which is probably because of the main reason which is- he has no emotions; but if someone loved Data for who he is though- then having a man being able to understand emotions in a logical sense is good enough and they would love him for who he is.

In conclusion: Data is the perfect man for us in all aspects of the good qualities he possesses no matter how generalized, extreme or laudable.

I understand you don't agree with the majority of the points I made and that's fine. You are entitled to your own points of views and opinions, however- I will not tell you they are "wrong."

We can just agree to disagree.

Thank-you for your views. :)

Fair enough. I think I understand the nature of the thread better now.

Eternal7

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Report this Oct. 24 2009, 10:17 pm

Okay. :)

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