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Shouldn't we get rid of "in God we Trust"

loveroftrekmen

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Report this Jul. 19 2009, 3:52 pm

The terms "In God we Trust" are just pushing a religious agenda that has nothing to do with America.  Our declaration and constitution say nothing of this sort, and in fact did so on purpose.  Thomas Jefferson spoke out constantly on how religion should have nothing to dow ith government, the state, the people, and so on.  Many forefathers spoke out against religion and felt it was ludicrious.  The religious puritans that dominated the government at the time instilled this phrase to push an agenda that is not an American one, but a religious propaganda.  Should we not finally set the record straight and make America a country that does not promote one religion or view over others?  SHould we not make this an equal and free country were all men, women and children and their views are created equally and treated with liberty and justice for all?

Splurk

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Report this Jul. 19 2009, 4:11 pm

Yap, you should.

But then again, supreme court judges are pretty bad at objective interpretation of the constitution. The US de jure is a secular state. De facto, nah-ah.

That the forefathers spoke of it has nothing to do with it though, simply only because the US claims to be a secular state and claims to follow its constitution which guarantees all citizens certain rights, which it doesn't follow.

The banning of teaching of evolution in 1920's.... ehhh?

Now same sex marriage?

draeden06

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Report this Jul. 19 2009, 6:34 pm

I thought "God was blessing us again after 8 years"? God will be all we have left to trust in after Obama destroys the dollar.

Splurk

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Report this Jul. 19 2009, 6:36 pm

Quote (draeden06 @ July 19 2009, 7:34 pm)
I thought "God was blessing us again after 8 years"? God will be all we have left to trust in after Obama destroys the dollar.

http://www.inflationdata.com/inflati....on.aspx

In what month did they change office again?

Also, look what happened the moment Bush Jr. took over from Clinton.

You're denying facts milady.

natenemo

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Report this Jul. 19 2009, 6:46 pm

Those who don't, will. It's called the euro. one world gov is closer than you know.

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Report this Jul. 19 2009, 6:49 pm

Quote (Splurk @ July 19 2009, 6:36 pm)
Quote (draeden06 @ July 19 2009, 7:34 pm)
I thought "God was blessing us again after 8 years"? God will be all we have left to trust in after Obama destroys the dollar.

http://www.inflationdata.com/inflati....on.aspx

In what month did they change office again?

Also, look what happened the moment Bush Jr. took over from Clinton.

You're denying facts milady.

Obama took over in Jan.

Quote
The dollar is declining for the following reasons:

1.The U.S. debt will probably rise to over $12 trillion. Foreign investors are concerned that the U.S. may let the dollar decline so the relative value of its debt is less.
2.The large debt could force the U.S. to raise taxes to pay it off, which would slow economic growth.
3.As more countries join or trade with the EU, demand for the euro will increase.
4.Foreign investors may want to diversify their portfolios with more non-dollar denominated assets.
5.As the dollar resumes its decline, investors will be less likely to hold assets in dollars as they wait for the decline to stop.


http://useconomy.about.com/od/tradepolicy/p/Dollar_Value.htm

Splurk

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Report this Jul. 19 2009, 6:59 pm

Quote (draeden06 @ July 19 2009, 7:49 pm)
Quote (Splurk @ July 19 2009, 6:36 pm)
Quote (draeden06 @ July 19 2009, 7:34 pm)
I thought "God was blessing us again after 8 years"? God will be all we have left to trust in after Obama destroys the dollar.

http://www.inflationdata.com/inflati....on.aspx

In what month did they change office again?

Also, look what happened the moment Bush Jr. took over from Clinton.

You're denying facts milady.

Obama took over in Jan.

Quote
The dollar is declining for the following reasons:

1.The U.S. debt will probably rise to over $12 trillion. Foreign investors are concerned that the U.S. may let the dollar decline so the relative value of its debt is less.
2.The large debt could force the U.S. to raise taxes to pay it off, which would slow economic growth.
3.As more countries join or trade with the EU, demand for the euro will increase.
4.Foreign investors may want to diversify their portfolios with more non-dollar denominated assets.
5.As the dollar resumes its decline, investors will be less likely to hold assets in dollars as they wait for the decline to stop.


http://useconomy.about.com/od/tradepolicy/p/Dollar_Value.htm

Nope, he was inaugurated then. You think Bush just has his old powers if there's another praesident-elect?

Basically he can't do any thing big except providing that the country doesn't collapse.

3.66%  1.07%

Different of Bush -> Obama

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:USDebt.png

I'm sure you know your dates of pr¿sidents, non monsieur?

Splurk

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Report this Jul. 19 2009, 7:12 pm

"great nation"?

America is easily one of the most hated nations world wide, I wouldn't be surprised if it came on top of a poll. But then again, it probably also came very high on a 'most loved' poll. It polarizes.

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Report this Jul. 19 2009, 7:26 pm

Quote (trekbuff @ July 18 2009, 8:06 pm)
I find it difficult to believe how few folks understand the very foundation of this country, the United States of America. The belief of a Supreme Being is at the very root of the rights and freedoms we are guaranteed by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

The First Article of the Bill of Rights states: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

This Article is clearly set to protect "- the rights of citizens to worship as they please and the right not to be forced to support someone else's religion."* That is there shall be no establishment of a State religion such as the Church of England.

*"Bill of Rights," Microsoft Encarta Online Encyclopedia 2003
http://encarta.msn.com 1997-2003 Microsoft Corporation. All Rights Reserved.

Take a visit to: The U.S. Bill of Rights

Many of the people of the original settling of this land found it necessary to flee oppressive governments where they were required to worship the officially recognized god and religion of that country. They could be jailed or even executed for not following the official church of their country. The Church of England at the time is a prime example.

As such, "In God We Trust" on our currency (on the back of the one dollar bill: "IN GOD WE TRUST" is on this currency. The Latin above the pyramid, ANNUIT COEPTIS, means, "God has favored our undertaking"), we swear an oath on the Bible when giving testimony in a court of law or when taking an official oath of office and "one nation under God" are all part of our heritage. Note that this does not say a Catholic, Muslim, Baptist or any other particular god, but rather God our creator. There are many wanting "God Bless America" to become our national anthem.

This is not a religious rant. These are the facts concerning the founding of our nation. Note that it is the FIRST Article in the Bill of Rights. God is at the very heart and root of this great nation. The denial of that FACT has led to many of the troubles in this country today.

It is not pledging allegiance to God. "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands..." For those not wishing to do so, they can go where they think it is better. It would also seem there are a few who lack in understanding the historical importance of a tribal banner.

What the heck are they teaching in schools any more. It's sure costing enough...

QFT^^
:logical:


And um...yeah...
Quote (Splurk @ July 18 2009, 8:12 pm)
"great nation"?

America is easily one of the most hated nations world wide, I wouldn't be surprised if it came on top of a poll. But then again, it probably also came very high on a 'most loved' poll. It polarizes


Yeah, it's the greatest nation on earth. The people that want to hate it are only jealous that they themselves don't live here and have the same luxuries that Americans have.
 
Your post is a wash, it means nothing either way.

Splurk

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Report this Jul. 19 2009, 7:40 pm

Quote (Optimus_lion @ July 19 2009, 8:26 pm)
Yeah, it's the greatest nation on earth. The people that want to hate it are only jealous that they themselves don't live here and have the same luxuries that Americans have.
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Your post is a wash, it means nothing either way.

Tell me good man, what luxuries do you have that I don't? I live in the Netherlands by the way.

As far as I know, I have these that you don't:

- More than two parties to reasonably choose from.
- A good fallback if I become unable to work for whatever reason that every one has (last earned salary)
- Free education, but you have to pay it back if you don't make it.
- Free health care if you can't pay for it, if you can then not so much.
- Hamburgers and fried food that don't turn you fat.
- Higher speed internet for less money (no one here has dial up, 12 EUR per month gets you ADSL no datalimit)
- Essentially no concept of 'family computer'
- Less censorship
- The freedom to marry any Dutch citizen
- The freedom to end my life when it pleases me
- Less social enforcement
- The state money reverse is actually HIGHER than its debt, no way?
- According to Census Bureau in the US, the median income is about 50 000 Dollar per year, according to the Dutch Centraal Bureau der Statistiek it's 50 000 EURO per year here. Do I need to tell you that a euro is worth almost one and a half that much as a dollar? That, and we still get a lot of extras like better health care and government put insurances. Essentially the government guarantees a minimum income for every citizen here called the social minimum, if you want more you have to work.

I'm dying to hear your list.

Cynic321

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Report this Jul. 19 2009, 7:41 pm

Quote (loveroftrekmen @ July 19 2009, 2:52 pm)
The terms "In God we Trust" are just pushing a religious agenda that has nothing to do with America. ?Our declaration and constitution say nothing of this sort, and in fact did so on purpose. ?Thomas Jefferson spoke out constantly on how religion should have nothing to dow ith government, the state, the people, and so on. ?Many forefathers spoke out against religion and felt it was ludicrious. ?The religious puritans that dominated the government at the time instilled this phrase to push an agenda that is not an American one, but a religious propaganda. ?Should we not finally set the record straight and make America a country that does not promote one religion or view over others? ?SHould we not make this an equal and free country were all men, women and children and their views are created equally and treated with liberty and justice for all?

Quote
(Adopted by Congress on July 4, 1776)
The Unanimous Declaration
of the Thirteen United States of America ?


When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness..


I'm an Agnostic Democrat.

Now dry up.

PhantomCrunk007

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Report this Jul. 19 2009, 8:20 pm

Quote (Splurk @ July 19 2009, 4:40 am)
Quote (Optimus_lion @ July 19 2009, 8:26 pm)
Yeah, it's the greatest nation on earth. The people that want to hate it are only jealous that they themselves don't live here and have the same luxuries that Americans have.
?
Your post is a wash, it means nothing either way.

Tell me good man, what luxuries do you have that I don't? I live in the Netherlands by the way.

As far as I know, I have these that you don't:

- More than two parties to reasonably choose from.
- A good fallback if I become unable to work for whatever reason that every one has (last earned salary)
- Free education, but you have to pay it back if you don't make it.
- Free health care if you can't pay for it, if you can then not so much.
- Hamburgers and fried food that don't turn you fat.
- Higher speed internet for less money (no one here has dial up, 12 EUR per month gets you ADSL no datalimit)
- Essentially no concept of 'family computer'
- Less censorship
- The freedom to marry any Dutch citizen
- The freedom to end my life when it pleases me
- Less social enforcement
- The state money reverse is actually HIGHER than its debt, no way?
- According to Census Bureau in the US, the median income is about 50 000 Dollar per year, according to the Dutch Centraal Bureau der Statistiek it's 50 000 EURO per year here. Do I need to tell you that a euro is worth almost one and a half that much as a dollar? That, and we still get a lot of extras like better health care and government put insurances. Essentially the government guarantees a minimum income for every citizen here called the social minimum, if you want more you have to work.

I'm dying to hear your list.

Dont forget the coffee shops and legalized prostitution.

Optimus_lion

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Report this Jul. 19 2009, 8:22 pm

You can make all the lists you want, but when it comes to point, the Netherlands can't even come close to holding a candle the United States.

You can have your "parliamentary democratic constitutional monarchy" blah blah blah.

Quote (Splurk @ July 18 2009, 8:40 pm)
More than two parties to reasonably choose from.


"reasonably?" yeah thats cool, we've got a two party system with a third on the rise. Keep in mind with your self rightous attitude America has only been a country for a little over 200 years...K?

Quote (Splurk @ July 18 2009, 8:40 pm)
A good fallback if I become unable to work for whatever reason that every one has (last earned salary)


Oh yeah? Well, we've got something my man Gibert Gottfried likes to call "AFLAC" ya dig?

Quote (Splurk @ July 18 2009, 8:40 pm)
Free education, but you have to pay it back if you don't make it.

Free health care if you can't pay for it, if you can then not so much.


Got it and Got it. But the thing is, people work to make money to put into those programs...and I'm sure you guys do too. Unless the great Netherlands grows money off of them trees? lol

Quote (Splurk @ July 18 2009, 8:40 pm)
Hamburgers and fried food that don't turn you fat.


You ever hear of "moderation?" Yeah, well some Americans don't have any...what can you do? I eat fast food at LEAST four to five times a week and I am NOT by any means obese, I work out.

Quote (Splurk @ July 18 2009, 8:40 pm)
Higher speed internet for less money (no one here has dial up, 12 EUR per month gets you ADSL no datalimit)


Well, why don't you just give yourself a nice pat on the back then good sir and I'll just stick with my own intro net that works just fine.

Quote (Splurk @ July 18 2009, 8:40 pm)
Essentially no concept of 'family computer'


Ok, do you have ANY "concept" of family over there, or is the Netherlands working on humans being able to marry animals next?
:sarcastic:

Quote (Splurk @ July 18 2009, 8:40 pm)
Less censorship


Oh yeah? Well I listen to Howard Stern on satellite radio and there is no censorship whats so ever.

Quote (Splurk @ July 18 2009, 8:40 pm)
The freedom to marry any Dutch citizen


Good for you, Americans can too, they just have to be in a state that acknowledge the marriage. And when I say that, I mean that a STATE has the RIGHT to VOTE on whether or not they want to be STATE ?legal.

Quote (Splurk @ July 18 2009, 8:40 pm)
The freedom to end my life when it pleases me


We do to. It's called jumping of a bridge or tall building. So what?

Quote (Splurk @ July 18 2009, 8:40 pm)
Less social enforcement
What? you guys don't have laws too? What do you mean by that?

Quote (Splurk @ July 18 2009, 8:40 pm)
The state money reverse is actually HIGHER than its debt, no way?


Nice try, but America is a little bit bigger than the Netherlands, hell California my home state has a larger population then you guys.

Quote (Splurk @ July 18 2009, 8:40 pm)
According to Census Bureau in the US, the median income is about 50 000 Dollar per year, according to the Dutch Centraal Bureau der Statistiek it's 50 000 EURO per year here. Do I need to tell you that a euro is worth almost one and a half that much as a dollar? That, and we still get a lot of extras like better health care and government put insurances. Essentially the government guarantees a minimum income for every citizen here called the social minimum, if you want more you have to work.


Look, America has always been about working your butt off and reaping the benefits of your labor. Not the other way around.

So, be proud that your country has more "free" benefits than us, the only reason you know is prolly because your too lazy to work and make something of yourself. You prolly depend on all those social programs. I hope you love them. Stay over there and get taken care of. Smoke some weed and eat some pancakes.

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Report this Jul. 19 2009, 8:23 pm

Anyone not happy with money that says In God we trust, may send all those offensive bills to me.  I'll gladly give you an address. :)

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Report this Jul. 19 2009, 8:48 pm

No, keep it.  This is a christian nation.

It would be cool if every 4 years along with a president they also elected a religion.  The majority vote getter would be the national religion.

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