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George S. Kirk WAS in The Movie...

trekhed68

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Report this Jul. 20 2009, 2:39 pm

Finished the book over the weekend. No new revelations to report, which is unfortunate, because I really was hoping for some additional information about what happened to Nero and his crew immediately following the destruction of the Kelvin. Oh, well...I guess I'll just have to wait for the director's cut DVD...

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Report this Jul. 20 2009, 9:31 pm

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I started reading Alan Dean Foster's adaptation of ST09 last night. I've only made it up to chapter five, and so far I've found few differences between the book and the film. But one important difference that I have found answers a question that's been on the minds of many Trek fans since the film's debut: Where is George Samuel Kirk?

For those of you who are new to the Trek universe, George Samuel Kirk was the brother of James T. Kirk. We got a glimpse of George--albeit a very brief one--in the TOS episode "Operation -- Annihilate!" The seeming absence of George Kirk from ST09 raised the ire of many long-time Trek fans, because it appeared to represent a violation of established Trek canon. In addition, George's son Peter has also become a fan favorite, having been featured in the A.C. Crispin novel Sarek, and the recent fan-made film Of Gods and Men.

Well, fear not Trek fans, because George Samuel Kirk is alive and well in the alternate universe. He was glimpsed briefly in the film as the young man hitch-hiking down that lonely dirt road as young James sped by in the Corvette. According to Foster's movie adaptation, George had left home just moments earlier, following a bitter argument with his stepfather, Frank. James took the Corvette--which had been his father's--after learning about Frank's plans to sell it.

actually that person walking down the road is named johnny. Not George Kirk. Adaptations are never true. George Kirk is in the movie in a deleted scene. ?The scene opens with him leaving his house hold after taking abuse from his step father and he tells james kirk that he needs to be more risk taking and that leads to the scene of kirk stealing the car for the joy ride.

Right the a while later we see James Kirk driving past his brother Sam. So therefore the novelization is correct.


You do realize the novelization is based off of the script.

I will go with Vice for sure on this one. The novel and audiobook which is what I have listened to has to fit into canon somewhere here.

After all the deleted extended scene will have him as George Kirk. Wait till you get to the Kirk/Spock Prime Scene. Great stuff there.

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Report this Jul. 20 2009, 9:32 pm

Quote (trekhed68 @ July 20 2009, 2:39 pm)
Finished the book over the weekend. No new revelations to report, which is unfortunate, because I really was hoping for some additional information about what happened to Nero and his crew immediately following the destruction of the Kelvin. Oh, well...I guess I'll just have to wait for the director's cut DVD...

Yes I must admit I am surprised the novelization did not have the Klingon subplot in it but I can wait.

And for you cadet to captain haters he is mentioned as a Lieutenant (most likely full not junior grade) in rank right after his promotion to first officer. Rememebr Picard taking command of the Stargazer as a Lieutenant?

I pulled this from memory alpha about Picard but will have to rewatch a few episodes as I swore he said he was a Lieutenant.

Aboard the Stargazer
Picard on the bridge of the Stargazer some years after its loss
Picard was assigned as a flight controller aboard the USS Stargazer. In 2333
(citation needed ¿ edit)
, as a lieutenant commander, he assumed command of the vessel when the captain was killed on the bridge. Starfleet awarded Picard a promotion to the post of captain, making him one of the youngest Starfleet officers ever to attain the position. (TNG: "Tapestry") Picard remained in command of the Stargazer for twenty-two years.
(citation needed ¿ edit)

I find it hard to believe even in the 24th century a conn officer will have the rank of Lieutenant Commander anyway. It seems like most chief conn officer's are at best a Full Lieutenant in grade. (Lt. Hawk First Contact)

As you may have read or heard Kirk is most certainly portrayed as a man wh!!! in the novel. He is not portrayed as much of a genius as he is made out to be in the movie though. I loved the Kirk/Spock Prime meeting in this novel/audiobook it was by far my favorite part of this book but not the movie itself. My favorite scene in the movie was actually the Kelvin scenes.

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Report this Jul. 24 2009, 10:47 am

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George Kirk served aboard the Enterprise under Robert April...part of the reason why young Kirk wanted to one day command the Enterprise.


Perhaps even vaguely referenced in the new film when Spock tells young Jim Kirk that he often would cite his father as a reason for joining Starfleet.

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Report this Aug. 16 2010, 4:45 pm

Im very pleased that we get a glimpse of both George Kirks in the film. As most probably know, Bill Shatner 'played' his brother in ''O:A''. I've enjoyed a number of the novels like ''Final Frontier'' which has George and th never-but-Animated Trek mentioned Robert April aboard the ''Empress'' as the sweater-wearing captain lovingly calls her, the first Constitution class ship. April is portrayed as an idealist, more pacifistic a man, who needs George and his straight-telling, strong ways to balance his instincts out as an exec, a mantle Kirk Sr. accepts with much reluctance as a then-security chief of a starbase...dealing with a troubled young Jim at home, who resents his father's absence, and continues, as shown in ''Best Destiny'' acting out and doing what Jim well wants to..but later in that book, we get a taste of the great leader he will oneday become. It may not be canon, but, it's been fuel for Orci and Kurtzman, and we also finally get to see Winona Kirk. What I wonder is, where was George when the tragic events took place on the Kelvin. Most assumedly, back on Earth. I would love to see a series of Kelvin novels, and in them, we could get a glimpse of how George and Win met, what her career might have been, etc..and, for you huge Captain Robau fans out there..more of ''His Awesomeness''(A la Trek BBS)


''If I were captain, i'd open every crack in the universe, and peek inside, just like Captain Janeway does''-Kes, ''The Cloud''

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