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trekhed68

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Report this Jul. 15 2009, 10:19 am

I started reading Alan Dean Foster's adaptation of ST09 last night. I've only made it up to chapter five, and so far I've found few differences between the book and the film. But one important difference that I have found answers a question that's been on the minds of many Trek fans since the film's debut: Where is George Samuel Kirk?

For those of you who are new to the Trek universe, George Samuel Kirk was the brother of James T. Kirk. We got a glimpse of George--albeit a very brief one--in the TOS episode "Operation -- Annihilate!" The seeming absence of George Kirk from ST09 raised the ire of many long-time Trek fans, because it appeared to represent a violation of established Trek canon. In addition, George's son Peter has also become a fan favorite, having been featured in the A.C. Crispin novel Sarek, and the recent fan-made film Of Gods and Men.

Well, fear not Trek fans, because George Samuel Kirk is alive and well in the alternate universe. He was glimpsed briefly in the film as the young man hitch-hiking down that lonely dirt road as young James sped by in the Corvette. According to Foster's movie adaptation, George had left home just moments earlier, following a bitter argument with his stepfather, Frank. James took the Corvette--which had been his father's--after learning about Frank's plans to sell it.

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Report this Jul. 15 2009, 12:02 pm

Quote (trekhed68 @ July 14 2009, 11:19 am)
I started reading Alan Dean Foster's adaptation of ST09 last night. I've only made it up to chapter five, and so far I've found few differences between the book and the film. But one important difference that I have found answers a question that's been on the minds of many Trek fans since the film's debut: Where is George Samuel Kirk?

For those of you who are new to the Trek universe, George Samuel Kirk was the brother of James T. Kirk. We got a glimpse of George--albeit a very brief one--in the TOS episode "Operation -- Annihilate!" The seeming absence of George Kirk from ST09 raised the ire of many long-time Trek fans, because it appeared to represent a violation of established Trek canon. In addition, George's son Peter has also become a fan favorite, having been featured in the A.C. Crispin novel Sarek, and the recent fan-made film Of Gods and Men.

Well, fear not Trek fans, because George Samuel Kirk is alive and well in the alternate universe. He was glimpsed briefly in the film as the young man hitch-hiking down that lonely dirt road as young James sped by in the Corvette. According to Foster's movie adaptation, George had left home just moments earlier, following a bitter argument with his stepfather, Frank. James took the Corvette--which had been his father's--after learning about Frank's plans to sell it.

to sell the vett for what money! Which doesn't exist...

Or that different now too.

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Report this Jul. 15 2009, 12:31 pm

Quote (Tin_Man @ July 14 2009, 1:02 pm)
Quote (trekhed68 @ July 14 2009, 11:19 am)
I started reading Alan Dean Foster's adaptation of ST09 last night. I've only made it up to chapter five, and so far I've found few differences between the book and the film. But one important difference that I have found answers a question that's been on the minds of many Trek fans since the film's debut: Where is George Samuel Kirk?

For those of you who are new to the Trek universe, George Samuel Kirk was the brother of James T. Kirk. We got a glimpse of George--albeit a very brief one--in the TOS episode "Operation -- Annihilate!" The seeming absence of George Kirk from ST09 raised the ire of many long-time Trek fans, because it appeared to represent a violation of established Trek canon. In addition, George's son Peter has also become a fan favorite, having been featured in the A.C. Crispin novel Sarek, and the recent fan-made film Of Gods and Men.

Well, fear not Trek fans, because George Samuel Kirk is alive and well in the alternate universe. He was glimpsed briefly in the film as the young man hitch-hiking down that lonely dirt road as young James sped by in the Corvette. According to Foster's movie adaptation, George had left home just moments earlier, following a bitter argument with his stepfather, Frank. James took the Corvette--which had been his father's--after learning about Frank's plans to sell it.

to sell the vett for what money! Which doesn't exist...

Or that different now too.

Money was always ambiguous or inconsistent in Star Trek.

I could cite them all but that would take too much time.

In Star trek III McCoy wants to hire a ship and talks about paying them.

Next movie Trek IV Kirk remarks about still using money. Even in the series in such episodes like Mudd's Women they talk bout money and getting paid.

Undiscovered country Scotty says he bought a boat.

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Report this Jul. 15 2009, 12:42 pm

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Quote (trekhed68 @ July 14 2009, 11:19 am)
I started reading Alan Dean Foster's adaptation of ST09 last night. I've only made it up to chapter five, and so far I've found few differences between the book and the film. But one important difference that I have found answers a question that's been on the minds of many Trek fans since the film's debut: Where is George Samuel Kirk?

For those of you who are new to the Trek universe, George Samuel Kirk was the brother of James T. Kirk. We got a glimpse of George--albeit a very brief one--in the TOS episode "Operation -- Annihilate!" The seeming absence of George Kirk from ST09 raised the ire of many long-time Trek fans, because it appeared to represent a violation of established Trek canon. In addition, George's son Peter has also become a fan favorite, having been featured in the A.C. Crispin novel Sarek, and the recent fan-made film Of Gods and Men.

Well, fear not Trek fans, because George Samuel Kirk is alive and well in the alternate universe. He was glimpsed briefly in the film as the young man hitch-hiking down that lonely dirt road as young James sped by in the Corvette. According to Foster's movie adaptation, George had left home just moments earlier, following a bitter argument with his stepfather, Frank. James took the Corvette--which had been his father's--after learning about Frank's plans to sell it.

to sell the vett for what money! Which doesn't exist...

Or that different now too.

Money was always ambiguous or inconsistent in Star Trek.

I could cite them all but that would take too much time.

In Star trek III McCoy wants to hire a ship and talks about paying them.

Next movie Trek IV Kirk remarks about still using money. Even in the series in such episodes like Mudd's Women they talk bout money and getting paid.

Undiscovered country Scotty says he bought a boat.

This subject is as old as trekkie/trekker ¿:laugh:

I am glad that George Smauel is still alive and well. And thanks for the fill in info, all good...makes sense in the back story

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Report this Jul. 15 2009, 12:44 pm

It's STXI not STIX!!

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Report this Jul. 15 2009, 12:46 pm

Quote (exeter276 @ July 16 2009, 2:44 am)
It's STXI not STIX!!

No he means 09 as in 2009  ;)

trekhed68

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Report this Jul. 15 2009, 12:59 pm

Another interesting tidbit from the book: The USS Kelvin's Captain Robau hails from North Africa, and his first name is Pierre--yet another fact from the movie which seems certain to send the nay-sayers into fits of apoplexy.

"What!? A starship captain with a French name!? French? Why, that's an outrage! Gene Roddenberry would be turning over in his grave if he only knew..!"

Oh, wait...

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Report this Jul. 15 2009, 3:10 pm

Athou the book and the script have the boy walking on the road named "SAM" , the finished film renamed the boy "Johnny".

So Sam wasnt in the film.

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Report this Jul. 15 2009, 3:33 pm

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Athou the book and the script have the boy walking on the road named "SAM" , the finished film renamed the boy "Johnny".

So Sam wasnt in the film.

They should have still called the boy walking on the road Sam. It would have been a nod to long time fans and we would have known who he was.

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Report this Jul. 15 2009, 3:44 pm

Quote (SpaceTherapist @ July 15 2009, 3:33 pm)
Quote (stovokor2000 @ July 14 2009, 4:10 pm)
Athou the book and the script have the boy walking on the road named "SAM" , the finished film renamed the boy "Johnny".

So Sam wasnt in the film.

They should have still called the boy walking on the road Sam. It would have been a nod to long time fans and we would have known who he was.

Agreed.....but lets face it, its not the first time Sam has been forgotten.

Remember that famous line he was left out of in "The Final Frontier"???

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Report this Jul. 15 2009, 3:51 pm

Quote (stovokor2000 @ July 14 2009, 4:44 pm)
Quote (SpaceTherapist @ July 15 2009, 3:33 pm)
Quote (stovokor2000 @ July 14 2009, 4:10 pm)
Athou the book and the script have the boy walking on the road named "SAM" , the finished film renamed the boy "Johnny".

So Sam wasnt in the film.

They should have still called the boy walking on the road Sam. It would have been a nod to long time fans and we would have known who he was.

Agreed.....but lets face it, its not the first time Sam has been forgotten.

Remember that famous line he was left out of in "The Final Frontier"???

Yes, I thought of that then. Spock suddenly has a brother when he had not one before. And Kirk doesn't have a brother when he did have one before.

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Report this Jul. 15 2009, 4:07 pm

Quote (SpaceTherapist @ July 15 2009, 3:51 pm)
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Quote (stovokor2000 @ July 14 2009, 4:10 pm)
Athou the book and the script have the boy walking on the road named "SAM" , the finished film renamed the boy "Johnny".

So Sam wasnt in the film.

They should have still called the boy walking on the road Sam. It would have been a nod to long time fans and we would have known who he was.

Agreed.....but lets face it, its not the first time Sam has been forgotten.

Remember that famous line he was left out of in "The Final Frontier"???

Yes, I thought of that then. Spock suddenly has a brother when he had not one before. And Kirk doesn't have a brother when he did have one before.

Well that too.....but I was talking about Kirks dialog at the end of ST5.

He said [not exact words] "I lost a brother once......I was luck to get him back", which obviously in refrance to Spock.But no mention of the brother he lost and didnt get back.

BTW the novel and the comic book adaptations altered the line to say,[again not exact words]  "in my life I lost two brothers ......I was luck to get one of them back".

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Report this Jul. 15 2009, 4:11 pm

Quote (stovokor2000 @ July 14 2009, 5:07 pm)
Quote (SpaceTherapist @ July 15 2009, 3:51 pm)
Quote (stovokor2000 @ July 14 2009, 4:44 pm)
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Quote (stovokor2000 @ July 14 2009, 4:10 pm)
Athou the book and the script have the boy walking on the road named "SAM" , the finished film renamed the boy "Johnny".

So Sam wasnt in the film.

They should have still called the boy walking on the road Sam. It would have been a nod to long time fans and we would have known who he was.

Agreed.....but lets face it, its not the first time Sam has been forgotten.

Remember that famous line he was left out of in "The Final Frontier"???

Yes, I thought of that then. Spock suddenly has a brother when he had not one before. And Kirk doesn't have a brother when he did have one before.

Well that too.....but I was talking about Kirks dialog at the end of ST5.

He said [not exact words] "I lost a brother once......I was luck to get him back", which obviously in refrance to Spock.But no mention of the brother he lost and didnt get back.

BTW the novel and the comic book adaptations altered the line to say,[again not exact words] ¿"in my life I lost two brothers ......I was luck to get one of them back".

Yeah that was what i meant. That scene where kirk said he lost a brother and then got him back....

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Report this Jul. 15 2009, 4:29 pm

Quote (SpaceTherapist @ July 15 2009, 4:11 pm)
Quote (stovokor2000 @ July 14 2009, 5:07 pm)
Quote (SpaceTherapist @ July 15 2009, 3:51 pm)
Quote (stovokor2000 @ July 14 2009, 4:44 pm)
Quote (SpaceTherapist @ July 15 2009, 3:33 pm)
Quote (stovokor2000 @ July 14 2009, 4:10 pm)
Athou the book and the script have the boy walking on the road named "SAM" , the finished film renamed the boy "Johnny".

So Sam wasnt in the film.

They should have still called the boy walking on the road Sam. It would have been a nod to long time fans and we would have known who he was.

Agreed.....but lets face it, its not the first time Sam has been forgotten.

Remember that famous line he was left out of in "The Final Frontier"???

Yes, I thought of that then. Spock suddenly has a brother when he had not one before. And Kirk doesn't have a brother when he did have one before.

Well that too.....but I was talking about Kirks dialog at the end of ST5.

He said [not exact words] "I lost a brother once......I was luck to get him back", which obviously in refrance to Spock.But no mention of the brother he lost and didnt get back.

BTW the novel and the comic book adaptations altered the line to say,[again not exact words] ?"in my life I lost two brothers ......I was luck to get one of them back".

Yeah that was what i meant. That scene where kirk said he lost a brother and then got him back....

Sam just get left out of all the reindeer games

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Report this Jul. 16 2009, 10:54 am

Quote (stovokor2000 @ July 15 2009, 4:07 pm)
Well that too.....but I was talking about Kirks dialog at the end of ST5.

He said [not exact words] "I lost a brother once......I was luck to get him back", which obviously in refrance to Spock.But no mention of the brother he lost and didnt get back.

BTW the novel and the comic book adaptations altered the line to say,[again not exact words] ¿"in my life I lost two brothers ......I was luck to get one of them back".

Interesting point, Stovo. I had completely forgotten about that line from TFF! But I think that example just reinforces my original point: That Trek fans who object to the film because it doesn't respect canon overlook the fact that Star Trek often didn't respect its' own canon.

Anyway, I got through a couple more chapters last night; no new revelations to report. I had hoped that the book would go into a bit more detail about Nero, and what happened immediately following the destruction of the Kelvin, but so far, no such luck...

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