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Where was the Enterprise during The Dominion War?

LegendofStu

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Report this Jul. 13 2009, 3:51 pm

So I'm on the tail end of Season 5 of DS9 and I can't help but wonder where is the TNG Crew/Enterprise during this time? Do they ever discuss this in the coming episodes or any books? When the Dominion was gathering that huge fleet on the other side of the wormhole sisko said that the federation was spread pretty thin through that area of space and I couldn't help but think man they could use picard's help right about now.

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Report this Jul. 13 2009, 4:47 pm

Insurrection established the Enterprise was on diplomatic missions, trying to bring other aliens (presumably for resources) into the Federation.

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Report this Jul. 13 2009, 7:19 pm

After Data revealed the observation post to the Baku, the film cut to the ENT-E. Troi was helping Picard learn a ceremonial greeting for Regent Cuzar. On Picard's way from his quarters to the turbolift & in the turbolift, they briefly discuss their orders. Starfleet needs them at the Goren System to mediate a territorial dispute, because as stated by Riker, "The Diplomatic Corps is busy with Dominion negotiations."

The conversation continues:

Troi: Remember, they have a significantly less advanced technology than ours. They only achieved warp drive last year.
Crusher: A year? And the Federation Council decided to make them a protectorate so quickly?
Picard: Given our losses to the Borg and the Dominion, the council feels we need all the allies we can get these days.

And then Picard and company go to greet the aliens, shortly before Admiral Dougherty calls for Data's schematics.

Trekbuff, I would recommend going back and watching the movie.

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Report this Jul. 13 2009, 7:19 pm

Quote (trekbuff @ July 13 2009, 4:13 pm)
Literally, they were making movies...

Star Trek: First Contact was released November 22, 1996.

:)

well that still wouldn't be much of a reason considering Worf was on DS9 pretty much the entire time?

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Report this Jul. 13 2009, 7:57 pm

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There was nothing to do with the Dominion War in Star Trek: Insurrection, released December 11, 1998. I don't think it was even mentioned in the movie.


There was actually an obscure reference in Insurrection. When Troi and Riker research the Son'a, there was a reference to ketracel white, which is the means of controlling the Jem'Hadar.

In DS9, Weyoun diverts a number of Dominion warships to protect a Son'a storage facility containing ketracel white.

Khoufu_Khorushu

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Report this Jul. 13 2009, 8:02 pm

Worf was in all the movies, though, right?

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Report this Jul. 13 2009, 8:06 pm

First Contact was set just before the Dominion War (tensions were escalating, but the war didn't actually officially start until the end of season five.)

In fact it was set before the double episode Purgatory / Inferno where the Dominion came through the wormhole. Remember? there was mention of the "recent Borg attack".

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Insurrection may have been towards the end of the Dominion War or possibly shortly after. Picard says something about the Federation taking losses to the Dominion at that point which was a major reason why it was weakened.

And the Son'a were able to produce Ketracel White. They were mentioned also in a later episode of DS9 (I think it might have been "tacking into the wind" but don't quote me on that I tend to mix up what happened in what part of that particular arc when trying to figure out off the top of my head.)

Damar says of the Ketracel White facilities. "Can't the Son'a protect it"

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Actually thinking about it Insurrection must have happened directly after the Dominion War -- probably with the Federation attempting to recover from their losses -- because in this movie the Federation and the Son'a are (albeit uneasy) allies and Damar's comment to Weyoun implies that they were not allies during the later part of the war.

An interesting aside: Riker references Ketracel white as a narcotic, while Bashir calls it an "isogenic enzyme." I've been trying to find out recently whether there are any commonalities between these two but haven't been having much luck.

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Report this Jul. 13 2009, 8:07 pm

Quote (Khoufu_Khorushu @ July 13 2009, 8:02 pm)
Worf was in all the movies, though, right?

Right.

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Report this Jul. 13 2009, 8:32 pm

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They were mentioned also in a later episode of DS9 (I think it might have been "tacking into the wind" but don't quote me on that


Penumbra.

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Report this Jul. 13 2009, 8:50 pm

First Contact occurred roughly midway through DS9's 5th season. In the episode "In Purgatory's Shadow" Sisko says... "Because of the Klingon War and the recent Borg attack, Starfleet is spread pretty thin."  This establishes FC to have already happened at the time referenced by the OP. My comments were speaking to the intervening time period between FC and Insurrection. It makes sense that the Federation would try to acquire allies and procure resources during a time of war. Especially just after the Dominion Forces came through the Wormhole and allied themselves with Cardassia.

You said "There was nothing to do with the Dominion War in Star Trek: Insurrection, released December 11, 1998. I don't think it was even mentioned in the movie."

My dialogue quote was not meant as a comparison to you having said "undeveloped civilization", but as a reference point to your above quote that stated no mention of the Dominion War was made in the movie... when in fact a mention was made.

You also said "I saw no diplomatic mission of the Enterprise or looking to bring other aliens into the Federation."

That's what Picard was doing when he met with Regent Cuzar before Admiral Dougherty called.

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Report this Jul. 13 2009, 8:59 pm

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They were mentioned also in a later episode of DS9 (I think it might have been "tacking into the wind" but don't quote me on that


Penumbra.

Cheers. ^_^

That sounds about right.

I do like that they were mentioned, anyhow. Adds a degree of "reality" to the universe for them to have some kind of history beyond the scope of the movie. And says something about DS9 too I think that they would put in such things for people to "spot" later on!

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Report this Jul. 13 2009, 9:05 pm

I loved hearing the reference to the Son'a too.

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Report this Jul. 14 2009, 12:19 am

Quote (OtakuJo @ July 13 2009, 8:06 pm)
First Contact was set just before the Dominion War (tensions were escalating, but the war didn't actually officially start until the end of season five.)

In fact it was set before the double episode Purgatory / Inferno where the Dominion came through the wormhole. Remember? there was mention of the "recent Borg attack".

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Insurrection may have been towards the end of the Dominion War or possibly shortly after. Picard says something about the Federation taking losses to the Dominion at that point which was a major reason why it was weakened.

And the Son'a were able to produce Ketracel White. They were mentioned also in a later episode of DS9 (I think it might have been "tacking into the wind" but don't quote me on that I tend to mix up what happened in what part of that particular arc when trying to figure out off the top of my head.)

Damar says of the Ketracel White facilities. "Can't the Son'a protect it"

-----

Actually thinking about it Insurrection must have happened directly after the Dominion War -- probably with the Federation attempting to recover from their losses -- because in this movie the Federation and the Son'a are (albeit uneasy) allies and Damar's comment to Weyoun implies that they were not allies during the later part of the war.

An interesting aside: Riker references Ketracel white as a narcotic, while Bashir calls it an "isogenic enzyme." I've been trying to find out recently whether there are any commonalities between these two but haven't been having much luck.

Insurrection could have taken place towards the end of the war or after. I always thought it was prior to the war's end, even just before the Breen came into the war.

Ru'afo mentioned to Admiral Dougherty, "In the last twenty four months, it's (the Federation) has been challenged by every major power in the quadrant: The Borg, the Cardassians, the Dominion... They all smell the scent of death on the Federation."

It seems that Ru'afo was talking in the present as if the war was still happening, and he didn't mention the Breen - though it is questionable how powerful they are since little is known about them. But until Starfleet figured out how to combat the Breen's energy dampening weapons - they at least became a power and a force to be reckoned with.  

I always thought the Son'a allied themselves with the Federation only to get access to the planet in the Briar Patch. After Starfleet withdrew from he Alliance, the Son'a allied themselves with the Dominion because they thought it the best way to get access to the planet again and the Dominion wouldn't have any problems with removing the Baku.

Also, after the first Breen attack, the Defiant had been destroyed and they didn't seem to get a replacement for several episodes. Worf gave some excuse when he appeared on the Enterprise E that he was "...at the Manzar colony installing a new defense perimeter when I heard the Enterprise was in this sector." I presume he used the Defiant to travel around since Sisko let him have command on different occasions, but he could have easily used a runabout.  

Ultimately, there's no Stardate mentioned, so it's up for interpretation.

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Report this Jul. 14 2009, 1:26 am

So I suppose there's evidence for either possibility. :cool:

I'd be very interested to know of something definitive.

What would be interesting is to find whether the Manzar colony is Federation or Klingon because since Worf has been ambassador to Q'onos, that might just clinch the issue!!

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Report this Jul. 14 2009, 1:47 am

It's a good observation with Worf being the Ambassador, though that solidifies it my mind that Insurrection happened before the war was over. You don't often see Ambassador's in Starfleet Uniforms and there's another scene between Worf and Picard in Insurrection where Picard wakes up Worf in his quarters after having overslept...

Picard: I don't know how they do it on Deep Space Nine, but on the Enterprise we still report for duty on time.

So not only is Worf still serving Starfleet, but he's still stationed on Deep Space Nine.

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