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Why is your religion correct?

God_in_an_Alcove

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Report this Jul. 12 2009, 12:34 pm

This is not an opportunity to preach what you believe. I don't care what you may believe, and, if your beliefs don't match up with anyone else reading this, they probably don't care, either.

What I'm asking is what is it about your beliefs that makes them correct? What makes Christianity correct? What makes Islam correct? What makes the various pagan beliefs correct? What about atheism? What about Zues? Odin? Osiris?

What if they're all wrong?

What if they're all correct?

Blah. I just don't get why people have to fight over religion. And I wish I didn't feel the need to do the same.

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Report this Jul. 12 2009, 12:38 pm

I'm an Atheist and I don't have to explain why I feel like I do. I don't care what other people believe as long as they don't try to inflict their beliefs onto me.

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Report this Jul. 12 2009, 12:41 pm

Well, I'm an atheist, and it's not a religion. Atheism is a reaction to religion. Do we have a word for people who don't believe in "guipinupias"? No. Why not? Because nobody claims guipinupias exist. Atheism is the rejection of the claims that deities are real. In my case, I reject those claims because they're wholly unsupported. If you say something exists, it's your responsibility to provide the evidence your claim is true.

My position is correct because it follows to reason that you should not believe in things you have no reason to suspect are real.

And, though this is not parcel to my atheism, I find it very odd how people are so passe about religious beliefs. If someone does a math problem wrong, you correct them. If someone claims the light form the Sun takes a year to reach Earth, you correct them. If your religion is correct, why don't you want to correct other people who are wrong? If they're not wrong, then why isn't your religion wrong?

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Report this Jul. 12 2009, 12:42 pm

I am religious and  I see no reason why people should inflict their beliefs onto other people. yet some religious people think that it is wrong to let people live in peace.

religion itself is a weapon
faith is something else

God_in_an_Alcove

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Report this Jul. 12 2009, 12:42 pm

Quote (Lt_Hotspot @ July 12 2009, 9:38 am)
I don't care what other people believe as long as they don't try to inflict their beliefs onto me.

I agree with this statement. My wife is atheist (I'm pagan), and religion has never been a source of issue between us, even when it comes to bringing up our children.

I just don't get why people think they have to convert others.

I mean, if someone religious is worried that someone else might be ####ed, and they explain it, that's fine. But if that someone else says that they don't care, why can't they just leave it at that? We're all responsible for ourselves. And there's many better ways to help others than trying to convert them.

I'm just flustered and confused.

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Report this Jul. 12 2009, 12:44 pm

Quote (SpaceYeti @ July 12 2009, 9:41 am)
Well, I'm an atheist, and it's not a religion. Atheism is a reaction to religion. Do we have a word for people who don't believe in "guipinupias"? No. Why not? Because nobody claims guipinupias exist. Atheism is the rejection of the claims that deities are real. In my case, I reject those claims because they're wholly unsupported. If you say something exists, it's your responsibility to provide the evidence your claim is true.

I didn't actually mean to imply that atheism is a religious belief, and if I did I apologize. But I disagree with your definition of atheism. Atheism is nothing more than a lack of belief in a god.

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Report this Jul. 12 2009, 12:46 pm

Quote (God_in_an_Alcove @ July 12 2009, 12:34 pm)
This is not an opportunity to preach what you believe. I don't care what you may believe, and, if your beliefs don't match up with anyone else reading this, they probably don't care, either.

What I'm asking is what is it about your beliefs that makes them correct? What makes Christianity correct? What makes Islam correct? What makes the various pagan beliefs correct? What about atheism? What about Zues? Odin? Osiris?

What if they're all wrong?

What if they're all correct?

Blah. I just don't get why people have to fight over religion. And I wish I didn't feel the need to do the same.

I don't get why yet another religion thread is posted here.

SpaceYeti

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Report this Jul. 12 2009, 12:47 pm

Quote (God_in_an_Alcove @ July 12 2009, 12:44 pm)
Quote (SpaceYeti @ July 12 2009, 9:41 am)
Well, I'm an atheist, and it's not a religion. Atheism is a reaction to religion. Do we have a word for people who don't believe in "guipinupias"? No. Why not? Because nobody claims guipinupias exist. Atheism is the rejection of the claims that deities are real. In my case, I reject those claims because they're wholly unsupported. If you say something exists, it's your responsibility to provide the evidence your claim is true.

My position is correct because it follows to reason that you should not believe in things you have no reason to suspect are real.

And, though this is not parcel to my atheism, I find it very odd how people are so passe about religious beliefs. If someone does a math problem wrong, you correct them. If someone claims the light form the Sun takes a year to reach Earth, you correct them. If your religion is correct, why don't you want to correct other people who are wrong? If they're not wrong, then why isn't your religion wrong?

I didn't actually mean to imply that atheism is a religious belief, and if I did I apologize. But I disagree with your definition of atheism. Atheism is nothing more than a lack of belief in a god.

That's correct, but I wasn't trying to define it, I was trying to explain why it exists. Just like darkness. If there were no light, darkness would still exist, but it wouldn't have a title.

Also, I edited my first post. I included it in the quote, here.

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Report this Jul. 12 2009, 12:47 pm

Quote (GoodGirlsDo @ July 12 2009, 12:46 pm)
Quote (God_in_an_Alcove @ July 12 2009, 12:34 pm)
This is not an opportunity to preach what you believe. I don't care what you may believe, and, if your beliefs don't match up with anyone else reading this, they probably don't care, either.

What I'm asking is what is it about your beliefs that makes them correct? What makes Christianity correct? What makes Islam correct? What makes the various pagan beliefs correct? What about atheism? What about Zues? Odin? Osiris?

What if they're all wrong?

What if they're all correct?

Blah. I just don't get why people have to fight over religion. And I wish I didn't feel the need to do the same.

I don't get why yet another religion thread is posted here.

You did not answer the question.

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Report this Jul. 12 2009, 12:48 pm

I am spiritual, not religious, and I would define myself as a unitarian universalist and I gather many spiritual practices from a variety of sources.

This is what works for me. I don't get involved with the "whose religion is right" debate because I don't think the argument matters, faith is personal and if a peron's faith works for them I think that is all that matters.

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Report this Jul. 12 2009, 12:50 pm

Quote (SpaceTherapist @ July 12 2009, 12:48 pm)
I am spiritual, not religious, and I would define myself as a unitarian universalist and I gather many spiritual practices from a variety of sources.

This is what works for me. I don't get involved with the "whose religion is right" debate because I don't think the argument matters, faith is personal and if a peron's faith works for them I think that is all that matters.

Is the distance form New York to England a personal thing?

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Report this Jul. 12 2009, 12:50 pm

i'm christian.

Why is my religion correct? i don't know, i'll find out in the afterlife  :laugh:

SpaceTherapist

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Report this Jul. 12 2009, 12:52 pm

Quote (SpaceYeti @ July 11 2009, 1:50 pm)
Quote (SpaceTherapist @ July 12 2009, 12:48 pm)
I am spiritual, not religious, and I would define myself as a unitarian universalist and I gather many spiritual practices from a variety of sources.

This is what works for me. I don't get involved with the "whose religion is right" debate because I don't think the argument matters, faith is personal and if a peron's faith works for them I think that is all that matters.

Is the distance form New York to England a personal thing?

No. But what religious belief system one chooses out of the many available is a personal choice.

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Report this Jul. 12 2009, 12:54 pm

Quote (SpaceTherapist @ July 12 2009, 12:52 pm)
Quote (SpaceYeti @ July 11 2009, 1:50 pm)
Quote (SpaceTherapist @ July 12 2009, 12:48 pm)
I am spiritual, not religious, and I would define myself as a unitarian universalist and I gather many spiritual practices from a variety of sources.

This is what works for me. I don't get involved with the "whose religion is right" debate because I don't think the argument matters, faith is personal and if a peron's faith works for them I think that is all that matters.

Is the distance form New York to England a personal thing?

No. But what religious belief system one chooses out of the many available is a personal choice.

Just like how it's a personal choice what kind of burger to get for lunch?

God_in_an_Alcove

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Report this Jul. 12 2009, 12:55 pm

Quote (SpaceYeti @ July 12 2009, 9:47 am)
Quote (God_in_an_Alcove @ July 12 2009, 12:44 pm)
Quote (SpaceYeti @ July 12 2009, 9:41 am)
Well, I'm an atheist, and it's not a religion. Atheism is a reaction to religion. Do we have a word for people who don't believe in "guipinupias"? No. Why not? Because nobody claims guipinupias exist. Atheism is the rejection of the claims that deities are real. In my case, I reject those claims because they're wholly unsupported. If you say something exists, it's your responsibility to provide the evidence your claim is true.

My position is correct because it follows to reason that you should not believe in things you have no reason to suspect are real.

And, though this is not parcel to my atheism, I find it very odd how people are so passe about religious beliefs. If someone does a math problem wrong, you correct them. If someone claims the light form the Sun takes a year to reach Earth, you correct them. If your religion is correct, why don't you want to correct other people who are wrong? If they're not wrong, then why isn't your religion wrong?

I didn't actually mean to imply that atheism is a religious belief, and if I did I apologize. But I disagree with your definition of atheism. Atheism is nothing more than a lack of belief in a god.

That's correct, but I wasn't trying to define it, I was trying to explain why it exists. Just like darkness. If there were no light, darkness would still exist, but it wouldn't have a title.

Why wouldn't it? It just wouldn't have an opposite quality to compare it to.

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My position is correct because it follows to reason that you should not believe in things you have no reason to suspect are real.


Everyone has a reason to believe that whatever they believe is real. It may not be rational, but it's still real to them.

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And, though this is not parcel to my atheism, I find it very odd how people are so passe about religious beliefs. If someone does a math problem wrong, you correct them. If someone claims the light form the Sun takes a year to reach Earth, you correct them. If your religion is correct, why don't you want to correct other people who are wrong? If they're not wrong, then why isn't your religion wrong?


Math is absolute. Religion is not. No matter how many time someone adds one to one, it always equals two. That's because everyone understands the value of one and two. but with gods, no one really knows the value. We all have either our own intuition, or someone else's interpretations. Either way, it's just not enough. So, in the end, we all have to find our own path.

Whether that path is through Christianity, or Wicca, or atheism, we're all doing the same thing. We're just arguing about how to do it. And that's what I don't get. Why argue? Why not just say, "Well, that's what you want to do, so have fun?"

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