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SyFy Channel wants new Trek series...

SpaceTherapist

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Report this Jul. 22 2009, 1:42 pm

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i still think you have your shorts in a knot for NO reason over a nuanced definition of Trek that nobody else here shares to your degree.

No, I would say that trekbuff is right on the money with this one.

WkdYngMan

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Report this Jul. 22 2009, 4:56 pm

Not as far as the Defiant or the distances from which other cultures and aliens appeared ;)

God_in_an_Alcove

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Report this Jul. 22 2009, 6:18 pm

Quote (trekbuff @ July 21 2009, 8:32 pm)
Quote (God_in_an_Alcove @ July 21 2009, 8:55 pm)
Oh, so because "trek" is in the A, it has to be about exploration? Well, then, since the word "star" is in the title, then I guess that means that it has to take place in a solar system. Kirk battling Romulans in deep space? That's neither exporation or in a slar syste, so throw away "Balance of Terror." Picard's mind being taken over by an alien probe? All events were either in deep space or in Picard's head (which was also in deep space), so say good-bye, "The Inner Light."

And that's not even taking into account that the word "trek" doesn't even mean "explore."
I told you to read the thread. Oops...

Yes, yes, I know that you told me to do something I had already done. Just like you told others who disagree with your interpretation of things to do the same thing. Unless you're editing your comments, re-reading the thread won't reveal anything new.

Quote (trekbuff @ July 09 2009, 1:48 pm)
And about the only place the space station boldly went was closer to the worm hole.



Concession accepted. And yes, it is a concession, as you just did a 180 from your previous comments:

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And, basically, the rest of your star blither is just that.


It mirrored your "trek" crap perfectly. So if it's blither, then that's only because what you said is blither as well.

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Quote (God_in_an_Alcove @ July 21 2009, 8:55 pm)
Before you accuse someone of tweaking anything, you should make sure that they tweaked it, first. The only difference I can see is that I somehow turned the word "station" into "A." Since such a change obviosly serves no purpose, it's obvious that it was an accident.
It's suggested posting practice to preview or check your posts in some way before posting and only common courtesy when quoting someone.


I do check what I say, which is why I don't produce too many typos. I don't check the quoted segments because I have no reason to believe that they'd change.

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The fact remains, the words in your quote of my post were changed.

And the fact also remains that it was oviously unintentional. The fact that you have to focus so much on this minor issue only goes to show how weak your overall arguments are.

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Report this Jul. 22 2009, 6:47 pm

Quote (trekbuff @ July 22 2009, 11:25 am)
God_in_an_Alcove failed to respond to the body of the quote,

I didn't fail to respond to the body. I responded only to that which I really disagreed with.

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and missed the entire point of that quoted post.


How can I miss something and then respond drectly to it?

:laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:

I disagreed with you. You then insinuated that I don't know what I'm talking about, and now you're even attempting to insult me. And I'm the one trying to agitate?

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What is fascinating is I even predicted it in the very post he quoted.


You didn't predict anything.

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Report this Jul. 22 2009, 6:52 pm

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Quote (trekbuff @ July 21 2009, 11:32 EDT)
trek - passing or passage from one place to another[quote=trekbuff, July 09 2009, 1:48 pm]And about the only place the space station boldly went was closer to the worm hole.
Concession accepted. And yes, it is a concession, as you just did a 180 from your previous comments:
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Now, bring on your arguements about how it wasn't a requirement for Star Trek to be about exploration and discovery.

My, but you are loopy. How is a post I made on July 9th a concession to a post I made on July 21st?

Scrolling up the page just a little bit reveals that you left that post today.

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[quote=trekbuff,July 21 2009, 7:35 pm EDT]


Gee, would you look at that?

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That your posted quote of my comments differed from what I said is a fact


Which I'm not disputing, despite the fact that you continue fighting about it.

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That you continue to bring it up yet chastise me for responding to you about your error is also weak.


I'm not bringing it up. I'm responding to what you say. That would make you the one to keep bringing it up.

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You really are a waste of my time.... Please, continue to make a fool of yourself.... You don't need my help....


Ah, yes, the last bastion of the inferior... empty insults.

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Report this Jul. 22 2009, 7:24 pm

Quote (God_in_an_Alcove @ July 22 2009, 3:52 pm)

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You really are a waste of my time.... Please, continue to make a fool of yourself.... You don't need my help....


Ah, yes, the last bastion of the inferior... empty insults.

GiaA,

It's nice too see you realize you use so many empty insults.  :laugh:

Narada

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Report this Jul. 22 2009, 7:30 pm

This discussion reminds me when Deep Space 9 came out and Star Trek fans saying it cannot be Star Trek on a space station because they are not exploring.

This is correct in one way because the original Star Trek was about being on a space ship and exploring. The makers of Deep Space 9 knew this and wanted to make a new Star Trek show that was a little different. They knew Star Trek is also about more and the term exploring has many definitions. They wanted to explore different ways of life for Starfleet personnel and other characters who were not on a Flagship.

Star Trek is also about exploring the human condition and coexisting with other life forms. It is about appreciating the differences and value of everyone and everything and also learning new things. This is also a way to explore. Someone does not need a starship to explore it can be done anywhere outside of a back yard as anderbilt states.

They were also in a new section of space and had the worm hole to explore. The other side of this worm hole was not explored by Starfleet which made it somewhere they never went before. They also made the Defiant which allowed them to travel.

Deep Space 9 was very much Star Trek. This show pushed the envelope for Star Trek and explored more of its universe. I believe it is very much Star Trek but I am familiar with the traditional argument. I am still reading whole thread but I feel similar to anderbilt and WkdYngMan and some more people.

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Report this Jul. 22 2009, 7:31 pm

Quote (trekbuff @ July 22 2009, 4:30 pm)
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You really are a waste of my time.... Please, continue to make a fool of yourself.... You don't need my help....


Ah, yes, the last bastion of the inferior... empty insults.


GiaA,

It's nice too see you realize you use so many empty insults.?:laugh:

Actually, I thought a temper tantrum would quickly ensue.

Close... ;)

Notice how when we refuse to play some demented tit-for-tat game it is we who are inferior?
Always the case, no surprise there!

Narada

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Report this Jul. 22 2009, 7:39 pm

The Deep Space 9 wikipedia mentions many of the things we discuss:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/index.html?curid=27073
"Unlike the other Star Trek programs, DS9 took place on a space station instead of a starship, so as not to have two series with starships at the same time (The starship USS Defiant was introduced later in the series, but the station remained the primary setting for the show). This made continuing story arcs and the appearance of recurring characters much more feasible. The show is noted for its well-developed characters and its original, complex plots. The series also depended on darker themes, less physical exploration of space, and an emphasis (in later seasons) on many aspects of war.

Although DS9's ratings were solid, it was never as successful as the syndicated Star Trek: The Next Generation, with approximately 6% versus 11% of U.S. households watching during sweeps months. However it performed better than its network sibling Star Trek: Voyager which averaged around 5% according to the Nielsen Ratings. [1] Although DS9 had a very popular first season, it experienced a gradual loss of audience over time, ultimately dropping to a 4% household rating. One factor was the increasingly crowded syndicated marketplace which provided viewers with a number of alternative shows to follow (Babylon 5, Xena, Earth: Final Conflict). Another factor was the minimal promotion for DS9 as Paramount focused its efforts on its flagship network show Star Trek: Voyager. Finally from 1995 onwards most of the independent stations joined new networks (UPN and WB), and these primetime shows gradually pushed DS9 into weekend/late-night slots when few viewers were watching. The television market evolved from a 3-network universe (1987 when TNG premiered) into a 6-network universe. The competition became so intense that eventually DS9's ratings dropped below fantasy fiction rivals Hercules: The Legendary Journeys and Xena: Warrior Princess, and by the year 2001 nearly all original programming for syndication had disappeared."

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Report this Jul. 22 2009, 7:48 pm

If Sy FY  ( I still dont understand the silly name ) wants a new Star Trek show, then let them use PIXAR to animate Titan, with Jonathan Frakes at the helm as Captain. I would love to see Worf ( Michael Dorn ) as security and Dianna Troi ( Maria Certis ) could all still do the voices. But I know that would be to hard to do.  We have a animation Star Wars series that has taken off!!! ( Dare I Say ) T'Val:logical:

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Report this Jul. 22 2009, 7:51 pm

Quote (Narada @ July 22 2009, 4:30 pm)
This discussion reminds me when Deep Space 9 came out and Star Trek fans saying it cannot be Star Trek on a space station because they are not exploring.

This is correct in one way because the original Star Trek was about being on a space ship and exploring. The makers of Deep Space 9 knew this and wanted to make a new Star Trek show that was a little different. They knew Star Trek is also about more and the term exploring has many definitions. They wanted to explore different ways of life for Starfleet personnel and other characters who were not on a Flagship.

Star Trek is also about exploring the human condition and coexisting with other life forms. It is about appreciating the differences and value of everyone and everything and also learning new things. This is also a way to explore. Someone does not need a starship to explore it can be done anywhere outside of a back yard as anderbilt states.

They were also in a new section of space and had the worm hole to explore. The other side of this worm hole was not explored by Starfleet which made it somewhere they never went before. They also made the Defiant which allowed them to travel.

Deep Space 9 was very much Star Trek. This show pushed the envelope for Star Trek and explored more of its universe. I believe it is very much Star Trek but I am familiar with the traditional argument. I am still reading whole thread but I feel similar to anderbilt and WkdYngMan and some more people.

Your learning!

Very Good Job!  :cool:

Narada

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Report this Jul. 22 2009, 7:51 pm

Well thank you trekbuff. I see both sides of this discussion. It was new and different from Star Trek but it is still very much Star Trek. I do not expect everyone will agree but this is how I feel about Deep Space 9.

:)  :cool:  :logical:

Narada

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Report this Jul. 22 2009, 7:52 pm

Quote (Vice_Adm_Baxter @ July 22 2009, 7:51 pm)
Quote (Narada @ July 22 2009, 4:30 pm)
This discussion reminds me when Deep Space 9 came out and Star Trek fans saying it cannot be Star Trek on a space station because they are not exploring.

This is correct in one way because the original Star Trek was about being on a space ship and exploring. The makers of Deep Space 9 knew this and wanted to make a new Star Trek show that was a little different. They knew Star Trek is also about more and the term exploring has many definitions. They wanted to explore different ways of life for Starfleet personnel and other characters who were not on a Flagship.

Star Trek is also about exploring the human condition and coexisting with other life forms. It is about appreciating the differences and value of everyone and everything and also learning new things. This is also a way to explore. Someone does not need a starship to explore it can be done anywhere outside of a back yard as anderbilt states.

They were also in a new section of space and had the worm hole to explore. The other side of this worm hole was not explored by Starfleet which made it somewhere they never went before. They also made the Defiant which allowed them to travel.

Deep Space 9 was very much Star Trek. This show pushed the envelope for Star Trek and explored more of its universe. I believe it is very much Star Trek but I am familiar with the traditional argument. I am still reading whole thread but I feel similar to anderbilt and WkdYngMan and some more people.

Your learning!

Very Good Job! ¿:cool:

Learning? But I have always known this.

:(  :cool:

WkdYngMan

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Report this Jul. 22 2009, 7:56 pm

Quote (trekbuff @ July 22 2009, 5:40 pm)
Quote (WkdYngMan @ July 22 2009, 4:56 pm)
Not as far as the Defiant or the distances from which other cultures and aliens appeared ;)

Wkd! Dude! You're late! You've missed so much of the conversation.

Bummer....

;)

Never fear, I've been lurking and following along.

Narada

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Report this Jul. 22 2009, 8:14 pm

Yes maybe there was a misunderstanding when you said Deep Space 9 is not Trek. You meant it was new and different but it is still after all very much Star Trek. Maybe this is why there was disagreement with other people. I understand what you are meaning.

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