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LoganKaill

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Report this Jul. 14 2009, 10:33 pm

Quote (trekbuff @ July 09 2009, 12:43 pm)
DS9 was a space station. It was a seven year arc. It was an interesting show, but it was not Trek (Edit for Vice_Admiral_Baxter: not a trek). VOY was a 70,000 light year adventure and could have returned to "strange new worlds," but there were a few long arcs and the series was, basically, one l-o-n-g arc. ENT was one aimless arc with new-to-Trek aliens and another new-to-Trek arc with more new to Trek aliens. Both arcs had no place in a prequel. Braga said that maybe ENT wasn't different enough as one of his excuses for the cancellation of the series. He obviously didn't get it and couldn't have been more wrong.

Both Berman and Braga clearly didn't understand Trek. GR began TNG and it was wonderful until about season 6 when writers began to lose their Trek sense. FC was the best of the TNG movies, yet even it created a few dilemmas.

STXI is a reboot of Trek no matter where one puts the timeline. I honestly don't understand why it's made so much money (sold so many tickets). Were there really that many new folks (non fans) who saw it? Are the fans so hungry for Trek that many of us are willing to accept an average Trek story wrapped in flash-bang? Was it really that good?

History tells me if there is a new Trek series, it had better respect traditional Trek history to a much greater extent than either ENT or, especially, STXI. It had better be fresh and creative rather than putting Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, Yesterday's Enterprise and NEMESIS in a pot, stirring it up, and spitting out a movie and calling it Star Trek! Changing what we know of the NCC-1701 from ST(TOS) is not creative, it is dismissive of Trek history. Destroying Vulcan and killing Amanda isn't creative, it's digging a hole and further limiting creative tools.

I find it ludicrous that the design of a 23rd century starship needed to be updated for 2008 (2009)!

I'm also bored of hearing excuses for poor writing and lack of creativity being placed on canon and the weight of Trek history. That's bunk.

SciFi is now SciFy.. Ooooooo... Who cancelled Farscape? That was brilliant - NOT. Is ECW wrestling still on the new SciFy? That makes a lot of sense - NOT.

When SciFy does show TNG or ENT they are rarely shown in production order. They could do that with ST(TOS) and most of TNG, but ENT's arcs and tight chronology makes it unnerving.

SciFy has a lot more to concern themselves with than getting a new series. How many of the new series will they cancel because the ratings fail to garner more than three million viewers?

Wrestling????

DS9 was Trek what are you talking about?

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Report this Jul. 14 2009, 10:45 pm

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Quote (trekbuff @ July 09 2009, 3:13 pm)
Well, Admiral, we've found a difference...

ST(TOS): "Space, the final frontier. These are the voyages of the starship, Enterprise. It's five year mission: To explore strange new worlds. To seek out new life and new civilizatons. To boldly go where no man has gone before."
New stories each week, new life and new civilizations with new challanges and how Captain Kirk and crew would deal with them.

TNG: "Space, the final frontier. These are the voyages of the starship, Enterprise. It's continuing mission: To explore strange new worlds. To seek out new life and new civilizatons. To boldly go where no one has gone before."
Mostly new stories each week, new life and new civilizations with new challanges and how Captain Picard and crew would deal with them. The Borg theme got a little long in the tooth.

DS9: Nice intro music. Probably my favorite from all of the series.
Mostly one thematic story from beginning to end - Bajor, Dukat, the Emessary. The Babylon 5 of Trek. There were a lot of side stories about the crew and Quark and we came to know more about them than any other Trek series characters, but it always came back to the central theme.

VOY: Nice intro music. A chance to get back to what I enjoyed about Trek, but there was the Kazon arc. When that was played out we were given the Borg arc up to the end of the series. Again, there were some side stories, especially during the brief period between the Kazon and the Borg arcs.

ENT: I thought Faith of the Heart fit rather well with Earth's first warp 5 exploration ship and the prequel premis.
The best chance to get back to what I enjoyed about Trek. So much potential too often missing the mark. Manny Coto came in and gave me more of what I had expected/wanted in the fourth season only to see the series cancelled and the dreadful TATV.

Trek is a complex, intertwined concept with many threads making up the fabric - the future; space; science; who they are; who we are and will become; personality interaction, conflict and resolution; exploration; what they will do when they find it. As viewers, we are on the outside looking in, using the settings and what they do as a mirror to explore what we think and what we would do placing ourselves in the character's place. This is what Trek is to me.

If it were only the human condition, there are many other venues to fill that niche. Trek is unique and what I feel Abrams failed to grasp.

I think the sooner people can agree on these two facts:

1. Star Trek means something different to everyone

2. There are many different versions and approaches to Star Trek and that make it a wonderfully diverse and rich franchise, none of which are any more or less "real" than the other...

...the sooner all this arguing goes away.

Hahaha that will never happen Vger everyone has their different take on what Star Trek is just like different ideaologies among chrisitianity differ. every group of people have their own thoughts about what perfection is and that is never going to change. people are like apes they will never learn to respect each other

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Report this Jul. 14 2009, 11:02 pm

ds9 not trek?!?!? :angry:

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Report this Jul. 15 2009, 6:17 pm

Quote (exeter276 @ July 09 2009, 11:03 am)
Since the Excelsior Class is my favorite ship I have always wanted to see a series on the Enterprise-B. The "B" has unlimited potential with most of that era unwritten and possibilities endless. I know we had the Enterprise-B in Generations, but hated Ferris Bueller's buddy Cameron as captain. A starship captain IMHO needs to be more assertive and have more of a commanding presence. Ferris's buddy failed horribly for me in that role. The series could start off with a different captain and Cameron got reassigned after their shake down cruise.

http://trekmovie.com/2009....-series

actually the possiblities are very limited because the writers would have to make sure the stories don't contradict the events of tng, ds9, and voy so they won't screw up the timeline. thats why i thought enterprise wasn't such a great show because they were also limited in what they could do.

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Report this Jul. 18 2009, 9:26 pm

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In the eyes of the public he did die launching that ship,it would be 80 years before he would be found in the Nexus.
It would stilll be a factor in the ships history it would never shake.

So what did they do with Enterprise-B? Did they place it in mothballs?

Other than what we saw in Star trek: Generations that is all we know of the Enterprise B.

It may be a good prelude to a series featuring the Ent-B.

The ship is in drydock being repaired from the nexus damage. Everyone still reeling from Kirk's death. The current captain being dismissed and another being assigned. The ship being relaunced with something of a dark chapter behind it.

I think it makes for a good story line to begin with.

I like that idea. I wouls still rather see a series that continues after Nemesis, though. But that idea is good, and I would watch it.

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Report this Jul. 21 2009, 12:35 pm

A few years ago I would've wholeheartedly argued that SciFi/SyFy should be the new home of any new Trek series. But now... I don't care too much for the newtwork. It's like they're saying #### you to all the hard core scifi fans by broadcasting stupid shit like wrestling. They got lucky with BSG, well for the most part.  Eureka, Sanctuary, and even Warehouse 13 are ok, but by no means  great. Could they do any better than ENT? That would depend mostly on the writing staff.

Would a new Trek series be their new franchise show? How would that work out since they are trying to focus on appeasing all of the SG fans who are still really pissed off at the cancellation of SGA? Or do they already know that SGU is going to be a bust? In that case why not have all the Trek fans waiting in the wings, right? Of course I don't see CBS/Paramount letting go of the franchise, ever.

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Report this Jul. 21 2009, 12:53 pm

this is paramounts baby... and its making money... finally
cbs got there teeth in to it

i comp agree that no one else will touch it for along time... never say never though

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Report this Jul. 21 2009, 5:38 pm

Quote (TrekFan1701E @ July 15 2009, 12:38 am)
Would a post Nemesis just be for Trek fans only? Remember you need the general audience for a Trek Series to survive. A post Nemesis Series would seem to me to have alot of far out technobabble in it.

Technobabble isn't compulsory. TOS and ENT survived without it.

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Report this Jul. 21 2009, 7:22 pm

Quote (trekbuff @ July 09 2009, 10:48 am)
Quote (Vice_Adm_Baxter @ July 09 2009, 12:52 pm)
Quote (trekbuff @ July 09 2009, 9:43 am)
DS9 was a space A. It was a seven year arc. It was an interesting show, but it was not Trek.

Quite the opposite is true. If anything it is the most TREK of any of the series based off of TOS. Remember Star Trek in all its forms is about "Boldly Going Where No One Has Gone Before".
And about the only place the space station boldly went was closer to the worm hole. "Boldly Going" meant exploring, seeing what's out there. DS9 rarely did that.

"Boldly going" was a tag-line, not a requirement.

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Report this Jul. 21 2009, 7:35 pm

Quote (captainroe @ July 21 2009, 12:35 pm)
Would a new Trek series be their new franchise show? How would that work out since they are trying to focus on appeasing all of the SG fans who are still really pissed off at the cancellation of SGA? Or do they already know that SGU is going to be a bust? In that case why not have all the Trek fans waiting in the wings, right? Of course I don't see CBS/Paramount letting go of the franchise, ever.

Apologies if I am misreading your last sentence wrong in relation to the rest of your good post.  But by airing a show on SciFi, or "SyFy," this could very well still be done while CBS/Paramount own the rights.

For instance, House M.D. is partially produced by NBC-Universal but airs on the FOX Network.

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Report this Jul. 21 2009, 7:46 pm

Ratings are so deceptive, and I refuse to explain it all again.

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Report this Jul. 21 2009, 8:55 pm

Quote (trekbuff @ July 21 2009, 4:35 pm)
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Quote (trekbuff @ July 09 2009, 10:48 am)
Quote (Vice_Adm_Baxter @ July 09 2009, 12:52 pm)
Quote (trekbuff @ July 09 2009, 9:43 am)
DS9 was a space A. It was a seven year arc. It was an interesting show, but it was not Trek.

Quite the opposite is true. If anything it is the most TREK of any of the series based off of TOS. Remember Star Trek in all its forms is about "Boldly Going Where No One Has Gone Before".
And about the only place the space station boldly went was closer to the worm hole. "Boldly Going" meant exploring, seeing what's out there. DS9 rarely did that.

"Boldly going" was a tag-line, not a requirement.

Star Trek, get it Trek.

*Play Star Trek and Star Trek: The Next Generaton intro here*

They even put it at the end of Enterprise which it should have been from the beginning, not stuck in some aimless TCW arc or a year long Xindi War arc.

Now, bring on your arguements about how it wasn't a requirement for Star Trek to be about exploration and discovery. Before you do that, remember Yank's ratings chart and when the viewer numbers crashed. Before you do that, read this friggin' thread. It's all been covered.

:eyesroll:

Oh, so because "trek" is in the title, it has to be about exploration? Well, then, since the word "star" is in the title, then I guess that means that it has to take place in a solar system. Kirk battling Romulans in deep space? That's neither exporation or in a slar syste, so throw away "Balance of Terror." Picard's mind being taken over by an alien probe? All events were either in deep space or in Picard's head (which was also in deep space), so say good-bye, "The Inner Light."

And that's not even taking into account that the word "trek" doesn't even mean "explore."

:eyesroll:

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Quote (trekbuff @ July 09 2009, 9:43 am)
DS9 was a space station. It was a seven year arc. It was an interesting show, but it was not Trek.

Quite the opposite is true. If anything it is the most TREK of any of the series based off of TOS. Remember Star Trek in all its forms is about "Boldly Going Where No One Has Gone Before".
And about the only place the space station boldly went was closer to the worm hole. "Boldly Going" meant exploring, seeing what's out there. DS9 rarely did that.

I also added "(Edit for Vice_Admiral_Baxter: not a trek)"

Before you accuse someone of tweaking anything, you should make sure that they tweaked it, first. The only difference I can see is that I somehow turned the word "station" into "A." Since such a change obviosly serves no purpose, it's obvious that it was an accident.

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Report this Jul. 21 2009, 9:29 pm

Quote (trekbuff @ July 21 2009, 5:33 pm)
Quote (Vice_Adm_Baxter @ July 21 2009, 7:46 pm)
Ratings are so deceptive, and I refuse to explain it all again.

Here's the quick and dirty:
Quote (trekbuff @ July 09 2009, 1:48 pm)
Quote (Vice_Adm_Baxter @ July 09 2009, 12:52 pm)
It most definitely went where no one has gone before and is probably the most original of any of the Star Trek series.

The claim of its being "not TREK" is about as far from the truth as anyone can get.

With all due respect. :D
It was certainly the most original Trek series after ST(TOS). Saying it is my third favorite Trek series really doesn't do it justice. It was not, however, Trek or a trek. Going where no other Trek series had/has gone was a bold creative decision, but that's the inside looking out.

Fascinating, fun and riviting stories, outstanding cast and characters and excellent special effects, these are what made DS9 a great series. DS9 took the saga of Trek and gave us a single setting to grow into and learn - a large Trek community and their interactions.
...
There was, what will Odo catch Quark in next week? Or, when will Dukat show up again and what will he be up to?

My favorite episode of DS9 and easily in my top ten episodes from all of Trek - Explorers.

...

Getting away from exploration is what led to the decline in DS9 viewers. Those folks sure missed a lot of wonderful stories....

As for what exactly led to the decline in viewers remains a subject of debate.
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What lead to the decline in veiwers had more to do with two things:

1 st and foremost a more competitive market that it had when it started AND in comparison to the market when TNG was airing.
(I don't think I need to break down that argument yet again)

2 The market itself had grown beyound being TREK only.

I can guarantee for a fact if it had aired when TNG aired the ratings would probably been extremely higher than what they ended up being.

The fact that it did amazingly well considered it competed with B5 and to a limited extent VOY, not to mention Sea Quest, Hercules and Xena. Showed that it was amazing regardless of what the rating reflected.

I watched DS9, VOY, and Babylon 5. I wouldn't have missed DS9 for any other show.

Quote (trekbuff @ July 09 2009, 3:13 pm)
DS9: Nice intro music. Probably my favorite from all of the series.
Mostly one thematic story from beginning to end - Bajor, Dukat, the Emessary. The Babylon 5 of Trek. There were a lot of side stories about the crew and Quark and we came to know more about them than any other Trek series characters, but it always came back to the central theme.
...
Trek is a complex, intertwined concept with many threads making up the fabric - the future; space; science; who they are; who we are and will become; personality interaction, conflict and resolution; exploration; what they will do when they find it. As viewers, we are on the outside looking in, using the settings and what they do as a mirror to explore what we think and what we would do placing ourselves in the character's place. This is what Trek is to me.

If it were only the human condition, there are many other venues to fill that niche. Trek is unique and what I feel Abrams failed to grasp.

Every time watching DS9 was like coming home. The characters, their personalities, their interactions - all made DS9 a unique and fascinating Trek series. Those characters became almost like family. Of that, there is little debate for those of us who enjoyed the series.

As both you and I have said, this has all been covered.

:)

Thank you kind sir!

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Report this Jul. 21 2009, 11:21 pm

Quote (trekbuff @ July 21 2009, 8:16 pm)
DS9 was a TV series based on Star Trek. It was, however, not a trek. Rather simple concept, actually.

True & more accurately not a conventional type of TREK.

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Report this Jul. 22 2009, 7:41 am

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And I don't even want to get into the duality of the fan base that mirrors the Conservative-Liberal split of the US population right now, where one part of the fan base honors TOS and DS9 above all, while the other part of the base honors TNG, VOY and ENT above all. ¿


Indeed. It's not only in the US, it's a world-wide phenomenon: conservative people love TOS more than TNG, liberal people love TNG more than TOS.

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You're a DS9 Hater, trekbuff. ¿ That reflects on you, not the series. ¿A lot of us think it was the high point of the whole franchise.


There is also a large percentage of the fans that think TNG was the high point of the whole franchise.

It all depends on what kind of person you are, although something in me says that TNG offered more to humanity than DS9: TNG said 'we can evolve beyond our instincts' whereas DS9 said 'we are what we are, we can not evolve beyond that'.

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