Star Trek

The borg don't stand a chance, They're fighting a planet destroyer the size of a small moon, with a minimum of a one million crew, what can they possibly do?

Die.

Quote (God_in_an_Alcove @ July 11 2009, 1:24 pm)

Turbolasers are nothing more than gas and energy. You shoot them in any given direction, and they travel in that direction until they either dissipate or hit something. And since they travel far below the speed of light, their range is irrelevant; anything that's mobile can easily just move out of it's path, unless within a certain critical distance. They're great for a planetary bombardment, or a close-range capitol ship broadside, but beyond that, they're worthless.

In that case, perhaps proton torpedoes would be more effective? As these can track targets, they should be able to destroy the Cube in sufficient numbers.

Quote (God_in_an_Alcove @ July 11 2009, 1:24 pm)

I'm sure you mean the second one, as it was the DSII at the Battle of Endor that actually fired at vessels.

In actual fact, I really did mean Death Star I - the original was also able to target individual ships, as seen in the Battle of Despayre; the ship it destroyed was smaller than a regular Borg Cube.

Quote (God_in_an_Alcove @ July 11 2009, 1:24 pm)

Additionally, those vessels were hemmed in; they couldn't get to the other side of the DSII because of the shield, and they couldn't just leave because of the armada of ISDs. In other words, we've never really gotten to see how quickly the DSII (or I, for that matter) can spin around.

This really depends on which angle the Borg Cube happens to approach the Death Star from; Borg procedure in discovering a new species for assimilation appears to be to fly in a straight line towards their target whilst broadcasting their "Resistance is futile" message, so if they enter in the superlaser's field of fire, they're going to be in trouble.

They won't automatically know that the superlaser is a threat and try to keep out of its way, as they know nothing of the Empire or it's capabilities (and vice versa); additionally, do the Borg actually do evasive manoeuvres in combat? I was under the impression they just kind of crashed through whatever resistance was standing in their way to wherever they were going.

Quote (God_in_an_Alcove @ July 11 2009, 1:24 pm)

It was never explained how they beamed through, just shown that they could, sometimes.

Ah; I was under the impression that rotating shield frequencies could inhibit this ability, thus implying that the ability is at least partially reliant on frequencies? I'm afraid I'm only going off memory alpha, so it's a bit vague.

Quote (God_in_an_Alcove @ July 11 2009, 1:24 pm)

Actually, according to the very source you used above (Wookieepedia), it's described by Admiral Ackbar as simply "an energy shield." Actual quote contained in this article. That particular term is rather ambiguous.

I had actually assumed that this thread was referring to the Death Star I for the purposes of the scenario; the shield I was describing was the magnetic field mentioned in a Star Wars Episode IV as the X-Wings fly towards the station. Magnetic shields are used in Star Trek as a transport inhibiter, such as the one surrounding Rura Penthe.

Quote (God_in_an_Alcove @ July 11 2009, 1:24 pm)

We don't know too much about how jamming works against the Borg. At all.

We can speculate however; many Star Wars starship communications use subspace to send transmissions, thus communications jamming would be designed to inhibit or distort subspace transmissions, which Star Trek transporters rely on.

Interestingly, a Borg's connection to the collective relies on their in-built subspace-based neural transmitters, so there's the possibility that the jamming could actually disrupt their link to the collective and lobotomise them!

Quote (God_in_an_Alcove @ July 11 2009, 1:24 pm)

What I mean is that it's seems unlikely that a cube, which can contain well over 100,000 drones, would transport all landing troops to such a small area.

Ah, I see what you mean.

The borg would totally be raped in this situation one shot from any of the Death star's weapons can one hit kill the borg based on the star wars weapon outputs  we have printed and based on calculated borg shield strength

Death Star's giant super-laser can knock off the Borg ship in an instant, even though the Borg ship has a bunch of weapons and can operate w/o half the ship.

Quote (Khoufu_Khorushu @ July 13 2009, 10:40 pm)

the Borg...can operate w/o half the ship.

Wrong. ST:FC clearly disproves this. The Borg ship was less than 50% damaged when it had to eject the sphere before exploding.

Once again, the quote about the Borg being able to operate with this level of damage was an estimate made by a Starfleet Officer who had never encountered the Borg firsthand; Shelby and her team had made projections based on the data collected from the Enterprise-D after "Q Who" and projections can be wrong.

Quote (God_in_an_Alcove @ July 11 2009, 8:24 am)

Turbolasers are nothing more than gas and energy.

What do you think Borg weapons are? They are stated to be plasma based. Maybe that's why they fly up to everyone the encounter at point-blank range...because of the limitations you cited above.

that's a tough one. if the death star took its one and only shot and hit the cube, there would be nothing left. if it missed. the borg would quickly beam onto the death star and assimilate everyone.

Quote (Lucifer_ @ July 13 2009, 10:43 pm)

Quote (Khoufu_Khorushu @ July 13 2009, 10:40 pm) the Borg...can operate w/o half the ship. Wrong. ST:FC clearly disproves this. The Borg ship was less than 50% damaged when it had to eject the sphere before exploding. Once again, the quote about the Borg being able to operate with this level of damage was an estimate made by a Starfleet Officer who had never encountered the Borg firsthand; Shelby and her team had made projections based on the data collected from the Enterprise-D after "Q Who" and projections can be wrong.

Yeah, but it knew it would explode anyway, that's why they ejected the cube.

Quote (Khoufu_Khorushu @ July 14 2009, 7:15 pm)

Quote (Lucifer_ @ July 13 2009, 10:43 pm) Quote (Khoufu_Khorushu @ July 13 2009, 10:40 pm) the Borg...can operate w/o half the ship. Wrong. ST:FC clearly disproves this. The Borg ship was less than 50% damaged when it had to eject the sphere before exploding. Once again, the quote about the Borg being able to operate with this level of damage was an estimate made by a Starfleet Officer who had never encountered the Borg firsthand; Shelby and her team had made projections based on the data collected from the Enterprise-D after "Q Who" and projections can be wrong. Yeah, but it knew it would explode anyway, that's why they ejected the cube.

And the Borg ship was less then fifty percent damaged, that's my point.

Quote (DrunkOnRomulanAle @ July 14 2009, 6:11 pm)

that's a tough one. if the death star took its one and only shot and hit the cube, there would be nothing left. if it missed. the borg would quickly beam onto the death star and assimilate everyone.

If you ignore the multiple other weapons peppering the surface of the Death Star.

Quote (DrunkOnRomulanAle @ July 13 2009, 7:11 pm)

that's a tough one. if the death star took its one and only shot and hit the cube, there would be nothing left. if it missed. the borg would quickly beam onto the death star and assimilate everyone.

yes I am sure the thousands of troops will stand around while the borg do their thing.

Quote (Venicius @ July 11 2009, 12:14 pm)

The borg don't stand a chance, They're fighting a planet destroyer the size of a small moon, with a minimum of a one million crew, what can they possibly do?

Veni, Veni, Veni, when are you going to learn: This is the Cult of Borg. Lower your brainpower and surrender your logic. It does not apply here. ¿They will ignore all instances of Borg incompetence, Borg failure, the at least three order of magnitude firepower difference, and all other things that would present a threat to their precious 'Borg Trumps All!¿ viewpoint.

Quote (DrunkOnRomulanAle @ July 14 2009, 11:11 pm)

that's a tough one. if the death star took its one and only shot and hit the cube, there would be nothing left. if it missed. the borg would quickly beam onto the death star and assimilate everyone.

There's also the problem that in all probability the Borg will not actually be able to beam aboard the Death Star at all, as suggested in the 8th post of this page.

"The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the powers of the Force." - our favorite Darth

So the Death Star is really nothing compared to the Force. So what if the Borg assimilated a Jedi or a Sith? This of course presumes the Borg can adapt to a lightsaber, but I'll leave this up for debate too.