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Borg Cube vs. The Death Star

Commander_Zelkar

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Report this Jul. 08 2009, 10:06 am

I am thinking the Death Star has only one shot before the Borg adapt and cut it up like a cheese ball.

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Report this Jul. 08 2009, 10:11 am

I wonder how many times this has been done before lol. :)


Death star fires and destroys the cube, some Borg beam over and assimilate the Death star. That assumes the cube stays in front of the main firing beam.
Hows that?

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Report this Jul. 08 2009, 10:16 am

Quote (captbates @ July 08 2009, 10:11 am)
I wonder how many times this has been done before lol. :)


Death star fires and destroys the cube, some Borg beam over and assimilate the Death star. That assumes the cube stays in front of the main firing beam.
Hows that?

sucks

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Report this Jul. 08 2009, 1:53 pm

I think that the Death Star would win this one quite easily.

Never mind its main weapon, according to its profile the thing is armed with 10,000 turbolaser batteries, 2,500 laser cannons, 2,500 ion cannons and 768 tractor beams; while it couldn't use all of them at once, the Cube would be under constant attack from weapons designed to repel large scale fleet attacks as soon as it approaches.

Beaming is not an option for the Borg either; as seen in the films, the Death Star employs powerful jamming and is protected by a magnetic shield, both of which would render transportation impossible.

Even if they somehow managed to get onboard, there's no guarantee that assimilation would even be effective as the technology is so different from anything that the Borg has experienced (remember the problems they had assimilating Species 8472 and Data).

On top of that, even if assimilation did work, the Death Star's so large that the Empire could simply cut their losses and detonate everything within 2 square kilometers of the Borg incursion, and the area of devastation would barely be visible from the normal view the audience gets of the Death Star.

I think the Borg are just a tad out-classed here - though to be fair, pitting a single Cube against a moon-sized planet destroying space station is a rather unfair match-up...

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Report this Jul. 08 2009, 2:08 pm

Quote (Vorta_the_point @ July 08 2009, 10:53 am)
I think that the Death Star would win this one quite easily.

Never mind its main weapon, according to its profile the thing is armed with 10,000 turbolaser batteries, 2,500 laser cannons, 2,500 ion cannons and 768 tractor beams; while it couldn't use all of them at once, the Cube would be under constant attack from weapons designed to repel large scale fleet attacks as soon as it approaches.

With the exception of the Superlaser, all those weapons have a very limited range. The Borg cube could easily stay out of range.

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Even if they somehow managed to get onboard, there's no guarantee that assimilation would even be effective as the technology is so different from anything that the Borg has experienced (remember the problems they had assimilating Species 8472 and Data).


S8472 is far different than any form of technology seen in the SW movies. As for Data, they didn't have difficulty with him. When Locutus examined him, he described Data as a "primitive artificial life-form." In First Contact, they intentionally took the assimilation process slowly, as the Borg Queen wanted an equal, and not just another drone.

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I think the Borg are just a tad out-classed here - though to be fair, pitting a single Cube against a moon-sized planet destroying space station is a rather unfair match-up...


Indeed. But it's still fun to discuss.

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Report this Jul. 08 2009, 3:07 pm

Resistance is futile. :bored:

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Report this Jul. 08 2009, 5:34 pm

species 8472 would own the death star. :)

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Report this Jul. 10 2009, 6:21 am

If the Borg Cube can survive a direct single hit from the DS super laser (assuming it would have been successfully aimed and fired at the Borg Cube at the very precise and necessary moment) then they could have time to adapt. If adaptation is achieved before the second super laser shot is ready then they could sustain everything and anything else from the lesser defenses of the DS on its surface and its long trench. If the Borg Cube in turn can sustain anything coming at it they would simply keep following (or even orbiting) the Death Star until they figure out how to teleport inside and start the assimilation process.

If the Borg starts to assimilate all of the DS personnel/staff and gets all the data/information from it which certainly contains all the most secretive stuff you could imagine about the Empire, its bases, technologies, numbers and other such details then you could expect the 20,000'ish strong Galactic Empire fleet converging at the DS in a desperate attempt to destroy it, probably in vain due to the various Borg technology augmentations made to it by then. If the Empire looses control of the DS and if their entire fleet can't do a thing against the newly Borg'ed Death Star then you can kiss good bye to the Galactic Empire, and the Rebels would have a far greater threat to deal with then they ever had before, but they have Jedi... perhaps they could attempt a few things but I doubt it would have any impact against the Borg Star.

If there's one thing from the Star Wars universe being able to deal serious damage to the Borg it's the non-canonical Yuuzhan Vong, but that's non-canonical... so when looking at the official back-story (prior to Phantom Menace) I think that the only period of the SW universe being officially capable of doing anything against successful Borg incursions and invasions and assimilations would be the hundreds of thousands of Jedi and Sith which back then were at a massive galactic-scale war between themselves which culminated in the near total destruction of the Sith, but if the Borg was to come during that period... I doubt the Sith in particular would really appreciate it, nor even the Jedi, and if those two would wage war on their own separate fronts against the Borg then perhaps we could have interesting results.

Meh, it's just my take on that, it's always fun to speculate.

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Report this Jul. 10 2009, 8:18 am

The Borg would beam onto the Death Star, kidnap Darth Vader and assimilate him and his knowledge of the super laser and the rest of the imperial fleet. Vaducus would then lead the Borg in the total annihalation of the empire.

:cool:

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Report this Jul. 10 2009, 9:54 am

borg. they could adapt to the shots








(ironically i was listening to the star wars theme when i posted this)

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Report this Jul. 10 2009, 11:45 am

borg, all they need to do is fly to the opposide side of the Deathstar's megalaser thingy.

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Report this Jul. 10 2009, 1:06 pm

Here comes all the No Limits Fallacy BS...

Despite trektards wishing it weren't so, the Borg's adaptation DOES have limits. In FC, when the fleet led a unified assault against the Borg Cube, it failed to adapt to weapons it had previously encountered. With enough concentrated firepower (several torpedoes from the looks of it), the Borg got turned into scrap.

A Death Star with gigaton-level gun batteries and a weapon that has enough firepower to violently destroy planets would have no problem squashing a threat as tiny as a Borg Cube.

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Report this Jul. 10 2009, 1:37 pm

I'm not a trektard

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Report this Jul. 10 2009, 4:18 pm

"Gigaton-level"

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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Report this Jul. 10 2009, 5:18 pm

Quote (God_in_an_Alcove @ July 10 2009, 4:18 pm)
"Gigaton-level"

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

What's funny about that? The ISD's in the ESB asteroid field scene demonstrates the firepower of SW turbolasers, not to mention Slave I in AOTC pulverizes asteroids that the Enterprise-D has difficulty fragmenting with their entire photorp payload (TNG: Pegasus).

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