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"11:  59" Appreciation Thread

SLagonia

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Report this Jul. 07 2009, 10:48 pm

Quote (Ndirsch11 @ July 07 2009, 1:46 am)
For the record, I'm staying neutral regarding this fight. ¿I don't want to participate in it. ¿I said all I needed to say about the episode and that's that. ¿I already knew that Slagonia hated "11: ¿59" so his post didn't surprise me. ¿I'm used to it.

Sure.  We rarely see eye to eye on an episode, but that doesn't mean we can't have fun.  I enjoyed your review.

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Report this Jul. 07 2009, 10:49 pm

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?I'm not sure why you have a problem with it.

You never ask yourself why you say this allot?

And do you ever ask why you seem to be the only one who has a problem? ?Why is it the people you claim I'm victimizing continue having intellegent conversations with me while you keep telling me I'm not treating them right?

Where do you come up with this stuff? :laugh:


Please show me proof of these tp support these ¿claims?

Would you like me to point it out when you're doing it.

Ok...  RIGHT NOW!  Read the last few pages and you have a perfect example.

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Report this Jul. 07 2009, 10:52 pm

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?I'm not sure why you have a problem with it.

You never ask yourself why you say this allot?

And do you ever ask why you seem to be the only one who has a problem? ?Why is it the people you claim I'm victimizing continue having intellegent conversations with me while you keep telling me I'm not treating them right?

Where do you come up with this stuff? :laugh:


Please show me proof of these tp support these ?claims?

Would you like me to point it out when you're doing it.

Ok... ?RIGHT NOW! ?Read the last few pages and you have a perfect example.

I'm sorry, I don't see any examples of you showing me I'm wrong.

I see me asking you questions.
We are allowed to do that, right?

SLagonia

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Report this Jul. 07 2009, 10:54 pm

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?I'm not sure why you have a problem with it.

You never ask yourself why you say this allot?

And do you ever ask why you seem to be the only one who has a problem? ?Why is it the people you claim I'm victimizing continue having intellegent conversations with me while you keep telling me I'm not treating them right?

Where do you come up with this stuff? :laugh:


Please show me proof of these tp support these ?claims?

Would you like me to point it out when you're doing it.

Ok... ?RIGHT NOW! ?Read the last few pages and you have a perfect example.

I'm sorry, I don't see an examples of you showing me I'm wrong.

I see me asking you questions.

Very clever.  

Alright, how about when you agree with Trekbuff, who was doing the work for you?

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Report this Jul. 07 2009, 11:02 pm

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?I'm not sure why you have a problem with it.

You never ask yourself why you say this allot?

And do you ever ask why you seem to be the only one who has a problem? ?Why is it the people you claim I'm victimizing continue having intellegent conversations with me while you keep telling me I'm not treating them right?

Where do you come up with this stuff? :laugh:


Please show me proof of these tp support these ?claims?

Would you like me to point it out when you're doing it.

Ok... ?RIGHT NOW! ?Read the last few pages and you have a perfect example.

I'm sorry, I don't see an examples of you showing me I'm wrong.

I see me asking you questions.

Very clever. ?

Alright, how about when you agree with Trekbuff, who was doing the work for you?

I don't see how this is an example. ¿You accused me of something and I'm asking for proof.  What's so clever about that?

I can't agree with another poster?

SLagonia

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Report this Jul. 07 2009, 11:08 pm

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?I'm not sure why you have a problem with it.

You never ask yourself why you say this allot?

And do you ever ask why you seem to be the only one who has a problem? ?Why is it the people you claim I'm victimizing continue having intellegent conversations with me while you keep telling me I'm not treating them right?

Where do you come up with this stuff? :laugh:


Please show me proof of these tp support these ?claims?

Would you like me to point it out when you're doing it.

Ok... ?RIGHT NOW! ?Read the last few pages and you have a perfect example.

I'm sorry, I don't see an examples of you showing me I'm wrong.

I see me asking you questions.

Very clever. ?

Alright, how about when you agree with Trekbuff, who was doing the work for you?

I don't see how this is an example. ?You accused me of something and I'm asking for proof. ¿What's so clever about that?

I can't agree with another poster?

If I can't disagree with one, I see no reason why you should be able to agree with someone.

Look, this discussion has just gotten stupid.  Can we just end it already?

Admiral_JTK

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Report this Jul. 07 2009, 11:14 pm

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I appriciate the fact that you articulated your position well - So many people just say "I'm right and your opinion sucks" that it's nice to see someone put an intellegent argument up.

That being said, I completely and totally disagree. ?This episode was completely bereft of any drama, suspense or imagination. ?It's an episode that promises to be special while delivering no more energy than a filler episode, and is completely and totally BORING!

I think that's what it comes down to. ?I watch science fiction to watch starships, aliens and morality plays, not a guy in a book store who refuses to leave.

I might have agreed with you if the episode had been about, say, Shannon O'Donnell's colonoscopy procedure. ?I always liked "11: ?59" and I insist that it was a good (even a great) episode. ?It had a clear idea of what it was about and the story was engaging.

That's why I think it;s a great holiday ep., it's about discovering family.

Janeway was discovering the history of Shannon, while Shannon was discovering the makings of her own family with Henry Janeway. ¿Meanwhile back on Voyager, the crew is becoming a stronger family by gathering and sharing stories of their family histories. ¿Not to mention it takes place in between Christmas and New Years. ¿The story is multi-layered on so many levels.

Great w/ hot chocolate and Apple Cider donuts. :D

APPLE CIDER DONUTS ARE THE SHIZNET!!!

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Report this Jul. 07 2009, 11:21 pm

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?I'm not sure why you have a problem with it.
You never ask yourself why you say this allot?
And do you ever ask why you seem to be the only one who has a problem? ?Why is it the people you claim I'm victimizing continue having intellegent conversations with me while you keep telling me I'm not treating them right?
Where do you come up with this stuff? :laugh:
Please show me proof of these tp support these ?claims?
Would you like me to point it out when you're doing it.
Ok... ?RIGHT NOW! ?Read the last few pages and you have a perfect example.
I'm sorry, I don't see an examples of you showing me I'm wrong.
I see me asking you questions.
Very clever. ?
Alright, how about when you agree with Trekbuff, who was doing the work for you?
I don't see how this is an example. ?You accused me of something and I'm asking for proof. ?What's so clever about that?
I can't agree with another poster?

If I can't disagree with one, I see no reason why you should be able to agree with someone.

Look, this discussion has just gotten stupid. ?Can we just end it already?

Ya know, you're not victimizing anyone. I was standing up to your b.s. and exodus201 saw merrit in what I was saying. As I haven't responded to your arrogance in a while, exodus201 is doing fine on his(?) own. You say exodus201 seems to be the only one who has a problem? Intelligent conversations? Sure, only those who are smart enough to let you ramble on ridiculing 11:59 in a thread started to show appreciation for it. It appears Ndirsch11 is used to your habits and is staying out of it. You are the only one who is making jokes. All was fine and folks were enjoying talking about the episode. How dare anyone stand up to you. You really don't see what you are doing? Rhetorical question.

I will and I suggest exodus201 follow Ndirsch11's example. I've tried this a couple of times, but now you're going after exodus201 for daring to support my comments, telling them they are the only one having a problem with you and I'm wondering just who it is you've been having intelligent conversations with when you consider proper English unnecessary for anyone to understand you.

Board bullies are only fed when they can rule. The problem is, and I'm giving you some credit here, you really don't seem to understand what it is you do and think everyone is either having a great time joking with you or being unfair to you.

You go right ahead and post to your hearts content.

Good luck, SLagonia

You've got to be kidding me.

Honestly, can you even find one word with which I've insulted anyone?  Can you not understand that your opinion is not shared by the person you claim I'm mistreating?  Have you not figured out yet that all you're doing is furthering this pointless discussion?

Look, I'm finished with this discussion.  If you two want to continue, go right ahead.  I'm going to go find a topic where people want to discuss issues in a message board style, not this...  whatever it is that we have going here.

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Report this Jul. 07 2009, 11:26 pm

Quote (Admiral_JTK @ July 07 2009, 11:14 pm)
Quote (exodus201 @ July 07 2009, 9:07 pm)
Quote (Ndirsch11 @ July 07 2009, 5:31 pm)
Quote (SLagonia @ July 07 2009, 12:22 pm)
I appriciate the fact that you articulated your position well - So many people just say "I'm right and your opinion sucks" that it's nice to see someone put an intellegent argument up.

That being said, I completely and totally disagree. ?This episode was completely bereft of any drama, suspense or imagination. ?It's an episode that promises to be special while delivering no more energy than a filler episode, and is completely and totally BORING!

I think that's what it comes down to. ?I watch science fiction to watch starships, aliens and morality plays, not a guy in a book store who refuses to leave.

I might have agreed with you if the episode had been about, say, Shannon O'Donnell's colonoscopy procedure. ?I always liked "11: ?59" and I insist that it was a good (even a great) episode. ?It had a clear idea of what it was about and the story was engaging.

That's why I think it;s a great holiday ep., it's about discovering family.

Janeway was discovering the history of Shannon, while Shannon was discovering the makings of her own family with Henry Janeway. ?Meanwhile back on Voyager, the crew is becoming a stronger family by gathering and sharing stories of their family histories. ?Not to mention it takes place in between Christmas and New Years. ?The story is multi-layered on so many levels.

Great w/ hot chocolate and Apple Cider donuts. :D

APPLE CIDER DONUTS ARE THE SHIZNET!!!

HOLLA!!!!

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Report this Jul. 10 2009, 5:05 pm

Quote (exodus201 @ July 07 2009, 3:49 pm)
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^^It's a 11:59 "appreciation" thread, not a 11:59 bashing thread. ?Trekbuff has just pointed out how you came in here and denouced the ep. and that isn't the subject.

So yes, you're wrong.

So what you're saying is, any comment that isn't positive is wrong.


Yes, that's what "appreciation" means.

Complain all you wish, the title and OP clearly state what this post is for and that's praise for the ep., not bashing.

You know it's possible to appreciate something without actually liking it. I appreciate NASCAR as a motorsport and the technical aspects of such, but I do not consider myself a  fan nor do I particularly like watching NASCAR races.

The basic premise behind 11:59 is interesting, but I think the episode lacked in terms of execution.

On another note, one of my pet peeves is when they use the same actor to play their own ancestor. From a studio standpoint that's one extra actor they don't have to hire, but on screen it's just annoying to me.

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Report this Jul. 10 2009, 7:03 pm

I always put 11:59 as a descent episode, but not one that made me go wow.  I will watch it once in a while, but it is not an episode that I purposely re-watch when going through the DVD set.

As for who is right or wrong on whether it was an awesome episode or a snoozer, that is simply what your personal taste are.  If you ask 20 people¿s opinions great episodes, you will not get everyone liking the same episode.

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Report this Jul. 10 2009, 8:01 pm

Quote (Lucifer_ @ July 10 2009, 5:05 pm)
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^^It's a 11:59 "appreciation" thread, not a 11:59 bashing thread. ?Trekbuff has just pointed out how you came in here and denouced the ep. and that isn't the subject.

So yes, you're wrong.

So what you're saying is, any comment that isn't positive is wrong.


Yes, that's what "appreciation" means.

Complain all you wish, the title and OP clearly state what this post is for and that's praise for the ep., not bashing.

You know it's possible to appreciate something without actually liking it. I appreciate NASCAR as a motorsport and the technical aspects of such, but I do not consider myself a ¿fan nor do I particularly like watching NASCAR races.


True, too bad that wasn't close to the reply he gave.

madbadger2000

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Report this Aug. 03 2009, 10:34 pm

Hated it the first time I saw it.  Liked it the second time I saw it.

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Report this Jul. 18 2010, 7:42 am

Isn't that the whole point of Trek? To think beyond the ships and pretty explosions?

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