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Can a republican care about the environment?

loveroftrekmen

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Report this Jul. 20 2009, 12:49 am

Are you talking to me?  I was talking about that time period.  As I said, I am a CLASSIC Republican.

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Report this Jul. 20 2009, 12:52 am

The Republican party is more liberal than the deomcrats, especially the classic Republican party.

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Report this Jul. 20 2009, 1:12 am

Quote (loveroftrekmen @ July 19 2009, 3:25 am)
Corwin, most people I know and myself vote for the best candidate. ?After Bush drove our economy into the ground, I voted for the best candidate to bring us back out. Now we have to give him for years to dig us out of an eight year hole that bush dug.

How long until we can't blame Bush anymore?  Have you noticed the banks that didn't go on the Obama plan have recovered?  It's the ones that are now part owned by the government that are bringing us down.  Granted, Bush wasn't exactly an economic genious or anything, but to say he ran it into the ground is absurd.  His biggest failings were that he did roughly the same thing every president has done since Reagan left office (i.e., nothing) and just happened to be in office when the economy finally started suffering for it.

I'd also like to mention that Reagan inherited a far worse economy and turned it into the greatest era of peacetime economic expansion in our history.  Obama is doing the exact opposite of everything Reagan did (raising taxes instead of lowering them, taking ownership of failing industries instead of letting the market correct, throwing it away on projects that don't help anyone instead of giving money back to the people, etc) and has been managing over the biggest government expansion and largest economic meltdown in our nation's history.

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Report this Jul. 20 2009, 1:47 am

Quote (SLagonia @ July 19 2009, 2:12 am)
Quote (loveroftrekmen @ July 19 2009, 3:25 am)
Corwin, most people I know and myself vote for the best candidate. ?After Bush drove our economy into the ground, I voted for the best candidate to bring us back out. Now we have to give him for years to dig us out of an eight year hole that bush dug.

How long until we can't blame Bush anymore? ?Have you noticed the banks that didn't go on the Obama plan have recovered? ?It's the ones that are now part owned by the government that are bringing us down. ?Granted, Bush wasn't exactly an economic genious or anything, but to say he ran it into the ground is absurd. ?His biggest failings were that he did roughly the same thing every president has done since Reagan left office (i.e., nothing) and just happened to be in office when the economy finally started suffering for it.

I'd also like to mention that Reagan inherited a far worse economy and turned it into the greatest era of peacetime economic expansion in our history. ?Obama is doing the exact opposite of everything Reagan did (raising taxes instead of lowering them, taking ownership of failing industries instead of letting the market correct, throwing it away on projects that don't help anyone instead of giving money back to the people, etc) and has been managing over the biggest government expansion and largest economic meltdown in our nation's history.

I think we give Obama four years to dig us out of this hole. ¿If we are not improving my the end of four years than you can blame Obama. ¿

Give Obama at least half the time to dig up as it took Bush to dig us down.

Did you just say Reagan did a good job with his failed trickle down economics?  Do you really believe that?  You have to know trickle down did not work.

SLagonia

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Report this Jul. 20 2009, 2:32 am

Quote (loveroftrekmen @ July 19 2009, 4:47 am)
Quote (SLagonia @ July 19 2009, 2:12 am)
Quote (loveroftrekmen @ July 19 2009, 3:25 am)
Corwin, most people I know and myself vote for the best candidate. ?After Bush drove our economy into the ground, I voted for the best candidate to bring us back out. Now we have to give him for years to dig us out of an eight year hole that bush dug.

How long until we can't blame Bush anymore? ?Have you noticed the banks that didn't go on the Obama plan have recovered? ?It's the ones that are now part owned by the government that are bringing us down. ?Granted, Bush wasn't exactly an economic genious or anything, but to say he ran it into the ground is absurd. ?His biggest failings were that he did roughly the same thing every president has done since Reagan left office (i.e., nothing) and just happened to be in office when the economy finally started suffering for it.

I'd also like to mention that Reagan inherited a far worse economy and turned it into the greatest era of peacetime economic expansion in our history. ?Obama is doing the exact opposite of everything Reagan did (raising taxes instead of lowering them, taking ownership of failing industries instead of letting the market correct, throwing it away on projects that don't help anyone instead of giving money back to the people, etc) and has been managing over the biggest government expansion and largest economic meltdown in our nation's history.

I think we give Obama four years to dig us out of this hole. ?If we are not improving my the end of four years than you can blame Obama. ?

Give Obama at least half the time to dig up as it took Bush to dig us down.

Did you just say Reagan did a good job with his failed trickle down economics? ¿Do you really believe that? ¿You have to know trickle down did not work.

It was the largest era of peacetime economic expansion in our history!  We have been riding that wave ever since.  The great economy of the 90's was entirely the result of trickle-down.  How can you argue with the results of trickle-down from the 1980's?

As for Obama, had he tried programs that made logical sense and they just happened not to be working, I'd say give him time.  However, these plans make no logical sense and have been hampering our economic recovery.  Had it not been for the massive overhaul of the country, we may be on the road to recovery instead of sinking further and further into a hole.

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Report this Jul. 20 2009, 2:43 am

Quote (SLagonia @ July 19 2009, 3:32 am)
Quote (loveroftrekmen @ July 19 2009, 4:47 am)
Quote (SLagonia @ July 19 2009, 2:12 am)
Quote (loveroftrekmen @ July 19 2009, 3:25 am)
Corwin, most people I know and myself vote for the best candidate. ?After Bush drove our economy into the ground, I voted for the best candidate to bring us back out. Now we have to give him for years to dig us out of an eight year hole that bush dug.

How long until we can't blame Bush anymore? ?Have you noticed the banks that didn't go on the Obama plan have recovered? ?It's the ones that are now part owned by the government that are bringing us down. ?Granted, Bush wasn't exactly an economic genious or anything, but to say he ran it into the ground is absurd. ?His biggest failings were that he did roughly the same thing every president has done since Reagan left office (i.e., nothing) and just happened to be in office when the economy finally started suffering for it.

I'd also like to mention that Reagan inherited a far worse economy and turned it into the greatest era of peacetime economic expansion in our history. ?Obama is doing the exact opposite of everything Reagan did (raising taxes instead of lowering them, taking ownership of failing industries instead of letting the market correct, throwing it away on projects that don't help anyone instead of giving money back to the people, etc) and has been managing over the biggest government expansion and largest economic meltdown in our nation's history.

I think we give Obama four years to dig us out of this hole. ?If we are not improving my the end of four years than you can blame Obama. ?

Give Obama at least half the time to dig up as it took Bush to dig us down.

Did you just say Reagan did a good job with his failed trickle down economics? ?Do you really believe that? ?You have to know trickle down did not work.

It was the largest era of peacetime economic expansion in our history! ¿We have been riding that wave ever since. ¿The great economy of the 90's was entirely the result of trickle-down. ¿How can you argue with the results of trickle-down from the 1980's?

As for Obama, had he tried programs that made logical sense and they just happened not to be working, I'd say give him time. ¿However, these plans make no logical sense and have been hampering our economic recovery. ¿Had it not been for the massive overhaul of the country, we may be on the road to recovery instead of sinking further and further into a hole.

I just don't agree that making the poor poorer and the rich richer did not work.  It let to an ultimate poverty meltdown that we are seeing now.

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Report this Jul. 20 2009, 3:20 am

Quote (loveroftrekmen @ July 19 2009, 5:43 am)
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Quote (loveroftrekmen @ July 19 2009, 4:47 am)
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Quote (loveroftrekmen @ July 19 2009, 3:25 am)
Corwin, most people I know and myself vote for the best candidate. ?After Bush drove our economy into the ground, I voted for the best candidate to bring us back out. Now we have to give him for years to dig us out of an eight year hole that bush dug.

How long until we can't blame Bush anymore? ?Have you noticed the banks that didn't go on the Obama plan have recovered? ?It's the ones that are now part owned by the government that are bringing us down. ?Granted, Bush wasn't exactly an economic genious or anything, but to say he ran it into the ground is absurd. ?His biggest failings were that he did roughly the same thing every president has done since Reagan left office (i.e., nothing) and just happened to be in office when the economy finally started suffering for it.

I'd also like to mention that Reagan inherited a far worse economy and turned it into the greatest era of peacetime economic expansion in our history. ?Obama is doing the exact opposite of everything Reagan did (raising taxes instead of lowering them, taking ownership of failing industries instead of letting the market correct, throwing it away on projects that don't help anyone instead of giving money back to the people, etc) and has been managing over the biggest government expansion and largest economic meltdown in our nation's history.

I think we give Obama four years to dig us out of this hole. ?If we are not improving my the end of four years than you can blame Obama. ?

Give Obama at least half the time to dig up as it took Bush to dig us down.

Did you just say Reagan did a good job with his failed trickle down economics? ?Do you really believe that? ?You have to know trickle down did not work.

It was the largest era of peacetime economic expansion in our history! ?We have been riding that wave ever since. ?The great economy of the 90's was entirely the result of trickle-down. ?How can you argue with the results of trickle-down from the 1980's?

As for Obama, had he tried programs that made logical sense and they just happened not to be working, I'd say give him time. ?However, these plans make no logical sense and have been hampering our economic recovery. ?Had it not been for the massive overhaul of the country, we may be on the road to recovery instead of sinking further and further into a hole.

I just don't agree that making the poor poorer and the rich richer did not work. ¿It let to an ultimate poverty meltdown that we are seeing now.

What poverty meltdown?  Where is there a poverty meltdown?  Even those hit hard by the bad economy still have food, shelter and a means of finding a job.

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Report this Jul. 20 2009, 8:33 am

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Here is the webpage:

They claim they want to help the environment with three provisions.

1)Those steps, if consistent with our global competitiveness will also be good for our national security, our energy independence, and our economy. ?(Global competitiveness is defined elsewhere on their webpage as keeping American business on top, thus, countering environmental protection. ?They never once mention sustainable businesses because that seems to counter their global competitiveness).{b]Assumption and opinion, not fact.[/b]

2)A robust economy will be essential to dealing with the risk of climate change, and we will insist on reasonable policies that do not force Americans to sacrifice their way of life or trim their hopes and dreams for their children. (They are not willing to sacrifice or change their affluent lifestyles ?to protect the environment. ?Sustainability will only come with a change in our decadent lifestyles). ?Simple is not worse. Opinion and assumption as well, keep going.

3)The Republican perspective on the environment is in keeping with our longstanding appreciation for nature and gratitude for the bounty the Almighty has bestowed upon the American people. (apparently they feel God has bestowed upon them a BOUNTY ??? that they can use as they please, but at least in this section they kind of mention trying to keep it sustainable, so they can keep raping the land and selling it.)Again, your opinion, no fact at all.

http://www.gop.com/2008Platform/Environment.htm

Now, apologies would be nice, but none of you are adult enough to ever admit your wrong. ?:p

Why apologise for something I am not sorry for.

All of the stuff you are posting from he site with your comments after are just assumptions as to the intent. I could take 3 random platform items off the DNC wesite and savage them to my glee as well, but it wouldn't make me right.

Still nothing about destroying the planet to serve the GOP.

Your hatred of the party is fine, you go girl\guy\whatever. But don't for a minute think your hatred is enough to make you right. I could care less for either party, but you are lying when you say they could care less about the environment. Maybe they just are not buying this global warming bullshit. I'm not.

But you are. Hope it tastes good.

The website is clear, teh definitions of the terms are accurate. ?You ignore the truth then fine. ?You can live in ignorance. ?Enjoy. ?

I am not a democrat.

So these items you put in parentheses are from the website?

I knew you had nothing.

If you belive god has favored us as a nation after an 8 year absence, and we have a Democrat in office and a Democrat majority in the House and Senate, then here is a news flash for you.

You are a democrat, unless you are embarassed by it.

I have never voted a single party ticket in my life.

Reagan, Bush Sr. Clinton twice, GWB twice, McCain once. Truth be told my last 2 votes were more against Kerry and Obama than for Bush or Mccain, but only because I thought they would f things up more, Obama is proving me right.

Yes, the items in parathesis are quoting source material from other areas on the website, as well as, giving context from other areas of teh website. ¿

SO, YES THEY ARE ALL FROM THE WEBSITE.

You really are trying to ignore reality aren't you.

P.S. ¿I am a true Republican from our founding days. ¿A true classic Republican.

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(apparently they feel God has bestowed upon them a BOUNTY ??? that they can use as they please, but at least in this section they kind of mention trying to keep it sustainable, so they can keep raping the land and selling it.)


Sorry but that is bullshit.

Try again.

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Report this Jul. 20 2009, 8:35 am

Quote (loveroftrekmen @ July 20 2009, 12:25 am)
Corwin, most people I know and myself vote for the best candidate. ¿After Bush drove our economy into the ground, I voted for the best candidate to bring us back out. Now we have to give him for years to dig us out of an eight year hole that bush dug.

You go with the blame GWB defense.

How long will you keep using that excuse to defend the current Assclown in Chief?

Forever I'm guessing.

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Report this Jul. 20 2009, 2:02 pm

Quote (Corwin8 @ July 19 2009, 9:35 am)
Quote (loveroftrekmen @ July 20 2009, 12:25 am)
Corwin, most people I know and myself vote for the best candidate. ?After Bush drove our economy into the ground, I voted for the best candidate to bring us back out. Now we have to give him for years to dig us out of an eight year hole that bush dug.

You go with the blame GWB defense.

How long will you keep using that excuse to defend the current Assclown in Chief?

Forever I'm guessing.

I ask the same of you Corwin.  How long will you blame Clinton when reagon and the orginal Bsuh deserve quite a bit fo blame?  How long will you blame Obama without giving him a four year chance?  How long will skew the words in the Republican platform to fit your ideal of them?

I am a Classic Republican in my views of people before government, but I am foolish enough to think a country as large as ours can run without the government helping the lower classes.  We have created such a division in wealth that the lower class is becoming a slave (labor) class that is bitter and can not get out of the hole.

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Report this Jul. 20 2009, 2:29 pm

Quote (loveroftrekmen @ July 20 2009, 2:02 pm)
Quote (Corwin8 @ July 19 2009, 9:35 am)
Quote (loveroftrekmen @ July 20 2009, 12:25 am)
Corwin, most people I know and myself vote for the best candidate. ?After Bush drove our economy into the ground, I voted for the best candidate to bring us back out. Now we have to give him for years to dig us out of an eight year hole that bush dug.

You go with the blame GWB defense.

How long will you keep using that excuse to defend the current Assclown in Chief?

Forever I'm guessing.

I ask the same of you Corwin. ¿How long will you blame Clinton when reagon and the orginal Bsuh deserve quite a bit fo blame? ¿How long will you blame Obama without giving him a four year chance? ¿How long will skew the words in the Republican platform to fit your ideal of them?

I am a Classic Republican in my views of people before government, but I am foolish enough to think a country as large as ours can run without the government helping the lower classes. ¿We have created such a division in wealth that the lower class is becoming a slave (labor) class that is bitter and can not get out of the hole.

When did I blame Clinton for anything?

Put the hash pipe down, and get help. Please. I'm not kidding.

Find a 12 step program.

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Report this Jul. 20 2009, 6:50 pm

Quote (Corwin8 @ July 19 2009, 3:29 pm)
Quote (loveroftrekmen @ July 20 2009, 2:02 pm)
Quote (Corwin8 @ July 19 2009, 9:35 am)
Quote (loveroftrekmen @ July 20 2009, 12:25 am)
Corwin, most people I know and myself vote for the best candidate. ?After Bush drove our economy into the ground, I voted for the best candidate to bring us back out. Now we have to give him for years to dig us out of an eight year hole that bush dug.

You go with the blame GWB defense.

How long will you keep using that excuse to defend the current Assclown in Chief?

Forever I'm guessing.

I ask the same of you Corwin. ?How long will you blame Clinton when reagon and the orginal Bsuh deserve quite a bit fo blame? ?How long will you blame Obama without giving him a four year chance? ?How long will skew the words in the Republican platform to fit your ideal of them?

I am a Classic Republican in my views of people before government, but I am foolish enough to think a country as large as ours can run without the government helping the lower classes. ?We have created such a division in wealth that the lower class is becoming a slave (labor) class that is bitter and can not get out of the hole.

When did I blame Clinton for anything?

Put the hash pipe down, and get help. Please. I'm not kidding.

Find a 12 step program.

I neitehr do drugs, nor did your republican party feel I needed help when they hired me to help teh party.  

You however are severly confused as to what party you represent.  It seems you represent the insult, I can't stay on topic party because every time you lose an argument you insult and go off topic.

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Report this Jul. 22 2009, 4:58 pm

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Your ideas are as poor as your spelling, debating and vocabluary skills. You insult everyone by having poor ideas and not taking the time to frame them in an adult, coherent manner.

Why do you bother to post if you have nothing to add Doc?

Plus, Dr. Demento HIMSELF made a spelling error! :D

careful now. you are liable to make him get his thesaurus out :laugh:

I know, what was I THINKING? :D

You were probably thinking I've rented even more space in that empty, obsessed head of yours. :laugh:

Yawn. :eyesroll:

*Yawn* But keep posting about me. It's probably your only connection to reality now.

Dr. Troll. Stop spamming every thread. You should be banned.

I honestly have no idea why he hasn't been banned. All he does is spam and insult people. People have been banned for far less than he has done.

Wow, you are utterly pathetic. Go fetch!

He makes her point! :D

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