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Jul. 24 2009, 1:10 pm
IF one were to list the sad sad death of a minor character, you'd be hard-pressed to beat the death of Miramanee from TOS "Paradise Syndrome." That might be the most well-played, cinematically produced, and superbly executed two minutes of Star Trek EVER put on film. Ever.
I choke up and cry every time i see it. I'm pathetic.
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Jul. 24 2009, 1:23 pm
| Quote (anderbilt @ July 24 2009, 1:10 pm) | IF one were to list the sad sad death of a minor character, you'd be hard-pressed to beat the death of Miramanee from TOS "Paradise Syndrome." ¿That might be the most well-played, cinematically produced, and superbly executed two minutes of Star Trek EVER put on film. ¿ Ever. ¿
I choke up and cry every time i see it. ¿I'm pathetic. |
I love that episode (and it really ticks me off that my DVD was damaged by the manufacturer so there is a glitch in it). It was really a change of pace for the original series. Kirk was happy, got married, and had a child on the way and it was all taken away from him in the end. |
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Jul. 24 2009, 3:05 pm
There was a Bajoran ensign on an episode of TOS (can't remember the name of the episode) who had just been assigned to the Enterprise along with some other newbies, and they were nervous and anxious because of a promotion position coming up which one of them was in line for, but neither of them knew who was going to get it. But anyway, a dangerous mission came up where she had to pose as a captive of a Cardassian double agent. Picard knew that she could be killed, and told her this, and gave her the option of not accepting, but she volunteered for the mission, anyway, and was killed. Her death was really sad to me. And ultimately, honorable.
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Jul. 24 2009, 7:12 pm
| Quote (KALEL @ July 24 2009, 3:05 pm) | | There was a Bajoran ensign on an episode of TOS (can't remember the name of the episode) who had just been assigned to the Enterprise along with some other newbies, and they were nervous and anxious because of a promotion position coming up which one of them was in line for, but neither of them knew who was going to get it. But anyway, a dangerous mission came up where she had to pose as a captive of a Cardassian double agent. Picard knew that she could be killed, and told her this, and gave her the option of not accepting, but she volunteered for the mission, anyway, and was killed. Her death was really sad to me. And ultimately, honorable. |
Thats not an episode of TOS. TOS has Kirk,Spock. If it has Picard, as you said, its TNG. I believe the episode was called "Lower decks". |
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Jul. 25 2009, 12:30 am
Inquiring minds want to know how a ship being destroyed is considered a character death. A ship is a thing not a person!
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Jul. 25 2009, 12:50 am
| Quote (Fred2700 @ July 25 2009, 12:30 am) | | Inquiring minds want to know how a ship being destroyed is considered a character death. A ship is a thing not a person! |
Characters are not always persons. On the show "Law & Order" the city of New York is considered a character. Lassie was considered a character. The General Lee from the Dukes of Hazard was considered a character. |
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Jul. 25 2009, 11:05 am
no doubt, Spock's death was the ultimate sad moment, I could not hold back the tears and a lot of the audience, you could hear it... they totally screwed up kirk's death scene.. it should have had the same impact..
I would say George Kirk's death was very moving.. and impressive since we only see George Kirk in the first few minutes..
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Jul. 25 2009, 1:50 pm
| Quote (ohnoodo @ July 25 2009, 3:37 am) | | Quote (Fred2700 @ July 24 2009, 9:30 pm) | | Inquiring minds want to know how a ship being destroyed is considered a character death. A ship is a thing not a person! |
Didn't Kirk repeatedly refer to his ship as "her"? ?He would often talk about Enterprise as if it were a separate entity with "her" own unique character. |
Yes, he did. ¿It's called an antropomorphism, I believe. ¿ That's another reason why the death of the original Enerprise was so much more affecting than the death of the D. ¿Kirk and Scotty loved that ship. ¿They referred to it repeatedly as her. ¿Heck, even McCoy did in the TNG pilot. ¿ Did Picard, Riker, Geordi, or Data do that? ¿I can't remember if they ever did. ¿Maybe on occaision, but I don't recall it being done much, if at all. |
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Jul. 25 2009, 1:55 pm
| Quote (newKirk @ July 25 2009, 11:05 am) | no doubt, Spock's death was the ultimate sad moment, I could not hold back the tears and a lot of the audience, you could hear it... they totally screwed up kirk's death scene.. it should have had the same impact..
I would say George Kirk's death was very moving.. and impressive since we only see George Kirk in the first few minutes.. |
Yeah it should have. ¿One of GEN's writers, Ron Moore, said exactly that, that they wanted Kirk's death to have the impact of Spock's but that they largely failed with it. ¿ He admits that he, Brannon Braga, and Rick Berman blew it with the GEN script. Heck, Shatner says he regrets agreeing to go along with killing Kirk especially now since that killed his chance to be in XI. Malcolm McDowell has said that GEN was a crap film and he only decided to do it to be the guy who killed Kirk. It's a terrible film. |
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Jul. 25 2009, 2:00 pm
| Quote (Vice_Adm_Baxter @ July 09 2009, 9:53 am) | When the enterprise was destroyed in TSFS  |
Agreed. I was mad for days. I'm still not over it in some ways. Not enough of an honorable death for one of the greatest starships ever. |
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Jul. 25 2009, 2:01 pm
| Quote (Fred2700 @ July 25 2009, 12:30 pm) | | Inquiring minds want to know how a ship being destroyed is considered a character death. A ship is a thing not a person! |
From the Voyager episode "Year of Hell" TUVOK: Curious. I have never understood the human compulsion to emotionally bond with inanimate objects. This vessel has done nothing. It is an assemblage of bulkheads, conduits, tritanium, nothing more.
JANEWAY: Oh, you're wrong. It's much more than that. This ship has been our home. It's kept us together. It's been part of our family. As illogical as this might sound, I feel as close to Voyager as I do to any other member of my crew. It's carried us, Tuvok, even nurtured us. And right now it needs one of us. Has your inquiry been answered? |
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Jul. 26 2009, 12:53 pm
Spock, Data, Lt. Tasha Yar and Tora Ziyal (Gul Dukat's daughter).
Those four deaths made me cry.
I liked Jadzia Dax, but for some reason her death didn't impact emotionally to a great degree. I think it was how the death occurred. The death happened so quickly.
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Jul. 26 2009, 11:23 pm
| Quote (24thcenstfan @ July 27 2009, 12:53 am) | Spock, Data, Lt. Tasha Yar and Tora Ziyal (Gul Dukat's daughter).
Those four deaths made me cry.
I liked Jadzia Dax, but for some reason her death didn't impact emotionally to a great degree. I think it was how the death occurred. The death happened so quickly. |
I agree. Jadzia's death was too much of a "wrong place at the wrong time" kind of death. Her death would have had more impact if it was in "Change of Heart", when Worf had to leave her wounded. |
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Sep. 10 2010, 6:12 pm
Spock, Data, Tasha, Jadzia.
''If I were captain, i'd open every crack in the universe, and peek inside, just like Captain Janeway does''-Kes, ''The Cloud''
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Sep. 10 2010, 8:36 pm
Quote: stovokor2000 @ Jul. 24 2009, 7:12 pm | Quote (KALEL @ July 24 2009, 3:05 pm)There was a Bajoran ensign on an episode of TOS (can't remember the name of the episode) who had just been assigned to the Enterprise along with some other newbies, and they were nervous and anxious because of a promotion position coming up which one of them was in line for, but neither of them knew who was going to get it. But anyway, a dangerous mission came up where she had to pose as a captive of a Cardassian double agent. Picard knew that she could be killed, and told her this, and gave her the option of not accepting, but she volunteered for the mission, anyway, and was killed. Her death was really sad to me. And ultimately, honorable.
Thats not an episode of TOS.
TOS has Kirk,Spock.
If it has Picard, as you said, its TNG.
I believe the episode was called "Lower decks". |
You're right. I meant to say TNG. My bad.
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