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Jul. 06 2009, 11:58 am
It's Spock in TWOK, obviously. That was, perhaps, the most seminal and famous scene in the franchise's history. It was perfectly "executed."
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Jul. 06 2009, 12:01 pm
| Quote (PrepareToBeBoarded @ July 06 2009, 5:33 am) | | I was more sad when Data died. A little bit annoyed when they brought out B4. Supposedly he was fully revived in B4's unit when they made the Countdown comics to the recent film? Kinda takes away from the emotion of his death. |
Yeah, it does. That was one of the problems with Data's death. They pretty much broadcasted right at the end of the film that he would probably be back. It wasn't nearly as subtle as how they handled Spock's death. When TWOK came out, we all thought that Spock was totally dead. Hell, Leonard Nimoy thought that Spock was totally dead too. With Data, well, we'd seen him "killed" many times in TNG and he always was repaired and put back together again. With the memory download into B4 and that scene at the end, you saw right there how he would be back. It was done a lot better in TWOK than in NEM. |
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Jul. 06 2009, 12:03 pm
| Quote (PhantomCrunk007 @ July 06 2009, 4:02 am) | | I was actually happy that data died. I voted for Spock. |
I was a bit sad when Data died, but, for some reason, it didn't affect me so much, because there he was at the end as B4. I don't think it was done that well in NEM. It certainly wasn't done as well as Spock's in TWOK. Which death was better, Kirk or Data's? Heck, I think Kirk's may have even been better than Data's. |
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Jul. 06 2009, 1:26 pm
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Jul. 06 2009, 1:34 pm
I don't think Data, as an artifical life form technically died...he was rapidly disassembled.  |
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Jul. 06 2009, 1:42 pm
| Quote (captbates @ July 06 2009, 10:33 am) | | Quote (stovokor2000 @ July 05 2009, 8:07 am) | | No disrespect to the op but I dont think Sarek qualify as a major character. |
That's debatable, sure Sarek may not have the same episode count under his belt as others do, but he could be considered one of the most important cast members from Trek. He's in the same catagory as Khan, and with only two appearances you try saying Khan wasn't a major character. We also get one of the best acting masterclasses from any Trek show or film when Picard visits Sarek shortly before Sarek dies, Lenard and Stewart transform the scene like no one else could. |
Its hardly debatable. Being important to the story[s] or other characters is a far cry from being a major character to a series. I'm not trying to take anything away from the character but the only way a character is major to a series is if he she appears often. |
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Jul. 06 2009, 4:20 pm
Spock, Amanda, Kirk, and the Enterprise 1701.
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Jul. 06 2009, 4:40 pm
| Quote (stovokor2000 @ July 05 2009, 6:42 pm) | | Quote (captbates @ July 06 2009, 10:33 am) | | Quote (stovokor2000 @ July 05 2009, 8:07 am) | | No disrespect to the op but I dont think Sarek qualify as a major character. |
That's debatable, sure Sarek may not have the same episode count under his belt as others do, but he could be considered one of the most important cast members from Trek. He's in the same catagory as Khan, and with only two appearances you try saying Khan wasn't a major character. We also get one of the best acting masterclasses from any Trek show or film when Picard visits Sarek shortly before Sarek dies, Lenard and Stewart transform the scene like no one else could. |
Its hardly debatable.
Being important to the story[s] or other characters is a far cry from being a major character to a series.
I'm not trying to take anything away from the character but the only way a character is major to a series is if he
she appears often. |
No, your wrong, in some cases screen appearances are of secondary importance, Sarek is very much a major Trek character, I used Khan as an example of this, because although he only had two appearances you try finding a Trek fan that says he was not a Major character. Thats why it IS debateable, screen time and/or importance to the show IMO= ¿Major character. For the record- Sarek appears in the following episodes and films: Star Trek: The Original Series "Journey to Babel" Star Trek: The Animated Series "Yesteryear" Star Trek films Star Trek III: The Search for Spock Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home Star Trek V: The Final Frontier Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country Star Trek: The Next Generation "Sarek" "Unification, Part I" AND Star Trek XI |
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Jul. 06 2009, 5:06 pm
| Quote (WkdYngMan @ July 06 2009, 4:28 am) | | When George Kirk died! |
Yes! That is very true. It was sooo sad.  |
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Jul. 06 2009, 5:45 pm
The most powerful scenes ever in a Trek movie is Spock's death and "funeral" service in Trek II: TWOK. The hands on the glass "Live Long and Prosper" matching of hands and Amazing Grace on the bagpipes and Kirk's statement about Spock. Nothing comes close to those scenes in Trek. I didn't cry but got chills if I remember correctly... Wow...
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Jul. 06 2009, 5:55 pm
The saddest death had to be James T. Kirk. They killed biggest heroic character of the franchise for no more reason than to bridge TOS to TNG in a silly run of the mill movie, that even made fun of itself in what the danger to the universe was at the moment. Then they failed to use their always in the wings techno babble or time jumping gimmicks to bring him back (unless you count the books).
Now that was just sad.
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Jul. 06 2009, 5:56 pm
when data died.
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Jul. 06 2009, 6:07 pm
| Quote (captbates @ July 06 2009, 4:40 pm) | | Quote (stovokor2000 @ July 05 2009, 6:42 pm) | | Quote (captbates @ July 06 2009, 10:33 am) | | Quote (stovokor2000 @ July 05 2009, 8:07 am) | | No disrespect to the op but I dont think Sarek qualify as a major character. |
That's debatable, sure Sarek may not have the same episode count under his belt as others do, but he could be considered one of the most important cast members from Trek. He's in the same catagory as Khan, and with only two appearances you try saying Khan wasn't a major character. We also get one of the best acting masterclasses from any Trek show or film when Picard visits Sarek shortly before Sarek dies, Lenard and Stewart transform the scene like no one else could. |
Its hardly debatable.
Being important to the story[s] or other characters is a far cry from being a major character to a series.
I'm not trying to take anything away from the character but the only way a character is major to a series is if he
she appears often. |
No, your wrong, in some cases screen appearances are of secondary importance, Sarek is very much a major Trek character, I used Khan as an example of this, because although he only had two appearances you try finding a Trek fan that says he was not a Major character.
Thats why it IS debateable, screen time and/or importance to the show IMO= ?Major character.
For the record-
Sarek appears in the following episodes and films:
Star Trek: The Original Series
"Journey to Babel"
Star Trek: The Animated Series
"Yesteryear"
Star Trek films
Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
Star Trek V: The Final Frontier
Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
Star Trek: The Next Generation
"Sarek"
"Unification, Part I"
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Star Trek XI |
You know what........I could almost agree with you. But the fact is, as a character, Sarek doesnt hold as much weight as Khan. Khan was the main fucus of 2 stories and 1 was a movie,Sarek has only been the main focus of 1 story [TNG] all other stories with Sarek he's played a secondary role.....if that even. |
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Jul. 06 2009, 9:00 pm
Well I did error and forgot about Tasha Yar.
I did not include george kirk's death as i do not consider him a major character.
I didn't include amanda for the same reason, I debated with Sarek, but he appeared several times and IMO teh character made a huge impression on star trek. I think amanda only appearedthree times counting this new movie, sarek appeared 6 - 9 times (if you count the animated series, trek 11 and trek V) If it helps I also include Garek on DS9 and Q as major characters too.
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