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Any good Enterprise books?

TrekBeagle

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Report this Jul. 22 2009, 8:25 am

Quote (scnj @ July 09 2009, 6:11 am)
I've only ever bought one Enterprise book. It was called By The Book. Ugh.

By the book was great imo. It caught the athmosphere of the early seasons. Very entertaining.

honeybee1111

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Report this Jul. 22 2009, 8:29 am

I just read the sequel to "The Good That Men Do" - "Kobayashi Maru" - it's a great story that portrays the infamous no-win scenario that inspired the Starfleet Academy test - and has great character moments for everyone. I think the writers are better than average for Trek fiction as well. But be warned, the next book doesn't come out until October.

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Report this Jul. 22 2009, 8:31 am

I just started reading it. So far, so good.

grigori

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Report this Jul. 22 2009, 8:51 am

I DO wish Martin/Mangels had given us more detail about life on Romulus--little things, the foods & social mores Trip had to learn about. But you can't complain that the action ever lagged in these books.

These guys do a GREAT job with a huge spectrum of character types--from the flamboyence of Vance-as-usual to Archer's sad and serious aching emptiness inside in the face of impending war. Sopak is deliciously complex and I enjoyed Reed's reckless insubordination in believing T'Pol--and it was almost comical how long it took Archer to catch on.

I had some doubts about Soval being cast as the front-man Vulcan having to be duplicitous with Earth yet again; I thought he'd kind of gotten beyond that after the Vulcan Arc. But then again, the Vulcan's actions were driven not by duplicity but T'Pau's unfailing logic.

We already know from Martin/Mangels' Last Full Measure that Trip remains undercover for the rest of his life, so one of the main cliff-hangers for me is what happens with Sopak, Trek's version of the is-he-or-isn't-he Severus Snape.

honeybee1111

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Report this Jul. 22 2009, 8:11 pm

I think "The Enterprise Incident" is the gold standard in its portrayal of rich, decadent Romulan culture - no other movie or series ever came close - and I agree that hasn't been explored enough. But on the other hand, it's not like Trip is hanging around the creme de le creme of Romulan society, which I would guess would view engineers as important day laborers.

And I totally agree with Sopak as the Severus Snape figure. That's a good analogy.

The books are basically an action adventure vision of what we might have got in a 5th season, but they really do work hard to nail down all the characters. Reed still remains a bit mysterious, though. I hope he plays a big part in "The Romulan War" - which doesn't come out until Oct.

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Report this Jul. 22 2009, 8:26 pm

Quote (honeybee1111 @ July 22 2009, 8:11 pm)
Reed still remains a bit mysterious, though. I hope he plays a big part in "The Romulan War" - which doesn't come out until Oct.

I was just hoping the same thing! Our armory officer SURE ought to come into his own in a war scenario.

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Report this Jul. 24 2009, 11:47 am

I really like the conceit in the Martin/Margels books that various people were aware that Vulcans and Romulans were the same race, but given the fragility of the coalition, it remained a closely guarded secret until Balance of Terror. By then, the Federation was far more secure. It makes sense, and it doesn't contradict anything that I can think of regarding Section 31.

It also does help explain that the histories in TATV might have been doctored, if our heroes (especially Trip, but others as well) were up to their eyeballs in Romulan War espionage.

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Report this Jul. 24 2009, 1:21 pm

Martin/Mangels also acknowledge that certain Romulans and Vulcans had been infiltrating each OTHER's societies for some time, tx to the similarities. Originally Trip had been pegged as a spy, but a Vulcan one, not human.

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Report this Jul. 26 2009, 12:08 am

Hay, if what I have been reading from you gays are wright by the books then that would be great. First: Riker can only see and know about trip only by their history let them like he new trip died there so any special thing is unknown. Second: The third is a lost TNG. Third: Borg in the series come on how did they got there by what the said is Picard and his crew went in time to stop the Borg but the first contavt is this base by after Picard or is this base before Kirk? :question:

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Report this Jul. 26 2009, 12:13 am

:logical: Hay, if what I have been reading from you gays are right by the books then that would be great. First: Riker can only see and know about trip only by what their history let them know like he thought trip died, he would new about the special thing that trip is alive the is unknown. Second: The last episode is a lost TNG. Third: Borg in the series come on, how did they got there by what they said Picard and his crew went in time to stop the Borg but the first contact is this base by after Picard went in time or is this base before Kirk in TOS?

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Report this Jul. 26 2009, 9:48 pm

Quote (honeybee1111 @ July 24 2009, 11:47 am)
I really like the conceit in the Martin/Margels books that various people were aware that Vulcans and Romulans were the same race, but given the fragility of the coalition, it remained a closely guarded secret until Balance of Terror. By then, the Federation was far more secure. It makes sense, and it doesn't contradict anything that I can think of regarding Section 31.

It also does help explain that the histories in TATV might have been doctored, if our heroes (especially Trip, but others as well) were up to their eyeballs in Romulan War espionage.

I very much agree.

Also, if you accept these books as canon (and for the first time I do because they're so well written), it gives a broader perspective on Trek history through the eyes of Jake and Nog. More to the point, it shows Section 31's influence for over two centuries rather than have the organization just be a plot from DS9. Granted ENT did this too by picking up the ball and rolling with it, but it's the idea that once you're aware of Section 31's existence - you begin to see the scope of the rogue organization and its place in history.

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Report this Jul. 26 2009, 9:56 pm

Quote (lostshaker @ July 26 2009, 9:48 pm)
Also, if you accept these books as canon (and for the first time I do because they're so well written), it gives a broader perspective on Trek history through the eyes of Jake and Nog.

for what it's worth, I, too, consider them as close to canon as books can get: they ARE giving us the RW, after all.

the frame of Jake/Nog uncovering the truth is actually NECESSARY in the sense that it shows US the future seeing the "official" history, in the form of the hologram, against which to play out the actual history.

and therein lies the sheer brilliance of Martin/Mangels: taking that element so many disliked--the historic holographic frame--and TURNING on it so deftly, using that very conceit to "prove" it was no more than a re-interpretation of actual events.

that is, our very satisfactory novel version re-write of the events of TATV would hardly have been possible--in ANY way resembling canon--if that sucky plot device hadn't existed in the episode in the first place!

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Report this Jul. 26 2009, 10:09 pm

I have mixed feelings about TATV. I understand what Berman and Braga were trying to do and I think they were in a Kobayashi Maru Scenario of their own. None of the fans wanted the series to end and that alone felt wrong. While a different story might have been better received, I don't think it would be a favorite. The show was canceled prematurely based solely on the fact that it was the 4th season where it found its voice. TOS is the only show that had its stride 1st season, but that was in part due to it being so unique.

As for the books, they are brilliant. I've enjoyed books by Peter David and Judith & Garfield Reeves-Stevens - which is why I loved seeing them being added in the ENT's 4th season - but these books truly stand out.

I too enjoy how they use Nog and Jake, not only in regards to their perspective on "recorded" history, but just being able to visit with them again. In the "Visitor" Jake was best known for his work "Anslem", but I wonder how he'll be remembered after he updates history.

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Report this Jul. 26 2009, 10:38 pm

yeh, it WAS good to see those two again! nice choice for the new books.

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Report this Jul. 26 2009, 10:47 pm

Quote (whofan @ July 16 2009, 3:15 pm)
hi all this is deja vu for me being a dr who fan (i know sorry icany help it i'm a britt!)the fact is that reboots all ways cause problems in canon
as will extra novels but dont see abrams as changing things or argue about what is and is'nt canon how would we all feel if he had gutted startrek as russel t davies has done to who? the facts are programmes need popular appeal to be successful without it they die!
yes i loved enterprise and it appears so do other britts a recent poll over here placed ent as most popular followed by voyager,tng,and finally ds9 apparently they saw fit to omit tos but over here tos has not been seen on proper telly since the seventies!
buy the dvd box sets and just enjoy also having seen the new film dont you think its funny how the enterprise canon is untouched
in essence tng,ds9 and voy are the bits that have been disgarded and anyway why cant the new film be a totally different timeline which i have to say is in line with modern theory ie time travel in your own universe is not possible only jumping into another.
just dont polarise your views trek is great what ever format it takes just like who just be thankfull its not been totally ruined like who!
ALSO THE ROSETTA STONE IS THE BEST ENT BOOK NO PROBS WITH CANON
in the begining it states the events in this story occur after bound and before blah blah....it was after all an unfilmed episode!

whofan, I'd be interested in knowing how Russel T Davies has gutted Doctor Who. I've seen the recent series and it's my favorite show on right now. When ENT was cancelled, I wish I knew about it back in 2005, but discovered in '07. I'm now going back and playing catch up. I've seen several episodes now with William Hartnell and the Doctor's grand daughter is attractive. I'm about to watch the Marco Polo series, still early I know. I love the horns and musical scores - it reminds me very much of TOS. While I think the Borg own sci fi villainy, I have to say I love the Daleks more - they're a threat, but they're humorous.

The very first episode - "An Unearthly Child" is extremely absorbing. While there's not much in the way of plot - granted hard to do in 20 minutes & for what was intended to come - the characters were fantastically written and really draw you in.

But overall, I'm curious as to your gripes about the new series and things I should be watching out for while watching the originals. I can't wait to see the ones with Tom Baker. From everything I've seen he tends to be most people's favorites. Am I right on this? I look forward to watching all the Doctors though.

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